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11 "unanswerable" questions for atheists - answered (Aron Ra)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 6. 1 Reply

If you spend any time around YouTube and have any history of looking at atheist material (or even theist material!), you will inevitably run into: "XX Questions Atheists Can't Answer."  These are occasionally followed by: "XX Questions Atheists…Continue

Tags: apologist, answer, questions, unanswerable, Aron Ra

worshipping narcissists (qualiasoup & theramintrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3. 1 Reply

They're all around us: people who perceive the world as revolving around them and will go to considerable lengths to make it so: narcissists.  Such beings have been with humanity, I suspect, since humanity emerged from the gene pool.  Even worse,…Continue

Tags: narcissist, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat May 2. 42 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

Tags: singing, lyrics, reclaimed, reclaiming, HumanLight

appropriating morality (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo May 1. 7 Replies

We've all heard the claim: "Human morality comes from god."  And we've all seen for ourselves what Yahweh's "morality" looks like, from condemnations of homosexuality and the treatment of women as chattel to inexplicable sanctions against the eating…Continue

Tags: morality, appropriating, TheraminTrees

Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 19. 0 Replies

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty…Continue

Tags: Bible Belt, atheist, Jerry DeWitt

How would you respond?

Started by Christina Scribner. Last reply by Christina Scribner Apr 10. 5 Replies

So, this morning, I was at my local coffee shop as I am most weekdays between bus runs. I do the editing on my husband's books so I had my laptop with me. My wallpaper is a picture I found online sometime back of a double helix with the word atheist…Continue

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Comment by Ian Mason on July 12, 2017 at 9:50pm

Spud, it seems that the US shows some of the symptoms of a 3rd world country.

Bertold, the cry was taken up in the UK too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N69SQfoOBfo

Comment by Grinning Cat on July 12, 2017 at 3:33pm

Joan, are you sure the second premise in your syllogisms below is quite true? :) :)

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 12, 2017 at 2:51pm

Plinius, you fairly caught me in another overgeneralization. Thanks! One would think I am over that by now! But NO! I keep segmenting them into categories. I hope I am the one to catch me next time. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 12, 2017 at 2:41pm

@Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Sunday 

"I depend upon sensory evidence. All scientific evidence depends upon use of the senses. Insistence on using the senses, excluding for example "evidence" from dreams and faith, is fundamental.'

I am glad you caught me on my statement about the use of senses. I use dreams when searching for an answer to a question. Usually, a day or two of pros and cons thinking, then I have a dream that makes the answer seem clear. 

I was raised to deny my senses; I developed an "I can't be right!" mentality and it was corroborated by parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins. We had a family system that relied on ancient texts for guidance and family traditions. That was until I stopped thinking as a child, at 37 years old, and started thinking as an adult. 

I have stronger techniques now on how to make a decision and a stronger sense of self and a growing sense of competence. I take responsibility for the consequences of my decisions and take pride in my growing skills. I rely on authority figures too much even as I have a higher criterion for making choices. I like double-blind research and look for flaws in research design. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 12, 2017 at 1:06pm

I just found-out the state I live in lets more children die because of faith-based medical neglect than in any other state.  Disgusting! 

http://idahochildren.org

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 12, 2017 at 7:06am

The Fugs are back, with a vengeance!

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 11, 2017 at 10:12am

Joan, I just tried to post a comic in Politics, economics & religion and the link to it didn't work. So here it is instead.

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Comment by Ian Mason on July 10, 2017 at 1:53am

Quite right, Joan. There is no void or vacuum if we use even a part of our thinking capacities.

Ruth and Joan: the old 'rationalism' vs 'empiricism' debate. I tend to side with the latter, particularly with David Hume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume

Unfortunately, modern philosophy, unable to change the world, has chosen rationalism's ever-diminishing circles and has disappeared up its own ivory tower.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 9, 2017 at 4:55pm

Joan, I agree with "My philosophy of life is totally satisfying and does not include any characteristics of the supernatural.", but in addition to reason I depend upon sensory evidence. All scientific evidence depends upon use of the senses. Insistence on using the senses, excluding for example "evidence" from dreams and faith, is fundamental.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2017 at 3:15pm

I feel no spiritual void when I reject religion. My philosophy of life is totally satisfying and does not include any characteristics of the supernatural.

I am a rationalist, I regard reason as the chief source and test of knowledge. My method to find truth is not sensory but intellectual and deductive. 

By deductive reasoning I mean I reason from one or more premises to reach a logically certain conclusion, i.e. 

Premise 1) All humans are mortal. 

Premise 2) Trump is a human. 

Conclusion) Trump is mortal. 

Premise 1) All humans are moral. (invalid)

Premise 2) Trump is a human. 

Conclusion) Trump is moral. (invalid)

 

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