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11 "unanswerable" questions for atheists - answered (Aron Ra)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 6. 1 Reply

If you spend any time around YouTube and have any history of looking at atheist material (or even theist material!), you will inevitably run into: "XX Questions Atheists Can't Answer."  These are occasionally followed by: "XX Questions Atheists…Continue

Tags: apologist, answer, questions, unanswerable, Aron Ra

worshipping narcissists (qualiasoup & theramintrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3. 1 Reply

They're all around us: people who perceive the world as revolving around them and will go to considerable lengths to make it so: narcissists.  Such beings have been with humanity, I suspect, since humanity emerged from the gene pool.  Even worse,…Continue

Tags: narcissist, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat May 2. 42 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

Tags: singing, lyrics, reclaimed, reclaiming, HumanLight

appropriating morality (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo May 1. 7 Replies

We've all heard the claim: "Human morality comes from god."  And we've all seen for ourselves what Yahweh's "morality" looks like, from condemnations of homosexuality and the treatment of women as chattel to inexplicable sanctions against the eating…Continue

Tags: morality, appropriating, TheraminTrees

Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 19. 0 Replies

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty…Continue

Tags: Bible Belt, atheist, Jerry DeWitt

How would you respond?

Started by Christina Scribner. Last reply by Christina Scribner Apr 10. 5 Replies

So, this morning, I was at my local coffee shop as I am most weekdays between bus runs. I do the editing on my husband's books so I had my laptop with me. My wallpaper is a picture I found online sometime back of a double helix with the word atheist…Continue

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Comment by Thomas Murray on June 27, 2017 at 7:03pm

Joan,

I like your explanation of the difference between whining and describing. I will pass this to my kids.

Comment by kathy: ky on June 26, 2017 at 3:47pm
Joan, your article reminds me of a new comedy/educational show with W.Kamau Bell titled "The United Shades of America". He visits different areas in the US and discusses their economy and way of life. He was in the Appalachians, in Beattyville KY, on the last show discussing the coal industry and loss of jobs. Beattyville has the dubious honor of being the poorest town in the USA. It was one of his better shows. I highly recommend it.
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 26, 2017 at 1:21pm

"Economists have empirically proven five Kondratieff cycles since the late 18th century 

1). The first long cycle was triggered by the invention of the steam engine and fundamental innovations in textile manufacturing (the fly-shuttle loom, the spinning mule, the spinning jenny).

2). The railroad and the Bessemer converter led the economy to the second Kondratieff. It was the great era of big steel."

3). "The third Kondratieff was the first long cycle that was carried by the prac­tical application of scientific knowledge. The discovery of the electro-dyna­mic principle by Werner von Siemens enabled the conversion of mecha­nical energy into electrical energy, and the findings on the composition of matter through quantum physics imparted the knowledge of manipulating material – the foundation of modern chemistry. The third Kondratieff ended with the global economic crisis of the late 1920s and early 1930s. "The Great Depression!"

4). The new upswing, the fourth Kondratieff, came with the automobile and petrochemistry. It marked the height of the industrial society and brought mass transit to the streets and to the air. The fourth Kondratieff drew to a close with the massive crude oil price increases by OPEC in the late 1970s.

5). The fifth Kondratieff began in the early 1950s. Its driving force originated in computer-based information technology. With constantly increasing speed, information technology permeated all areas of society and turned the world into a global village of information. During the fifth Kondratieff, the industrial society changed over into an information society. Since then, economic growth is primarily defined as growth in the information sector. The fifth Kondratieff ended at the turn of this century. At the same time it ended, the sixth Kondratieff cycle began. 

6). The carrier of this new Kondratieff cycle will be health in a holistic sense.  At first glance, this statement may come as a surprise. Can health expenditures, which are economically classified as pure expenses and as something negative that should thus be avoided if possible, take on the role of a locomotive for growth and employment in the future?

"At this point, we should recall the results of modern growth theory. Machi­nery, capital or jobs are only ostensibly the most important sources for economic growth. The main source for economy growth is productivity pro­gress. The sixth Kondra­tieff is carried by an improved productivity in handling health (a more detailed description of the sixth Kondratieff can be found on this homepage).

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 26, 2017 at 1:15pm

Ian, your daughter who encountered Marxism in school has the opportunity to think about options. We know capitalism is unstable. It has frequent recessions and regular depressions. 

"Economists have empirically proven five Kondratieff cycles since the late 18th century."

"There is no uniform progression in the market economy; in fact, upturns and downturns regularly take turns with each other. The short business cycles that last approximately three years are called Kitchin cycles; the medium-term ones lasting between 7 to 11 years are called Juglar cycles. However, there are also long economic cycles that last between 40 to 60 years. They are named Kondratieff cycles after their discoverer Nikolai Kondra­tieff. The triggers for these long waves are groundbreaking inventions that are called basic innovations.

As my former mentor stated, "the ball bearing has been replaced by the computer chip."

~ Ed Lindaman

I recommend you read the entire article. It offers insights into what happens and why. 

In the meantime, I am prepared for The Greatest Depression Yet.

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 26, 2017 at 12:45pm

Daniel, my eldest great-grandson just graduated high school and wants to go into the army. I was horrified! The US army takes our young men and women and sends them off to some country we can't even find on a map and uses them for fodder for the petroleum industry; if war breaks out, our young people already are in the middle of it. 

Your description of your experience makes sense to me. I will talk to him today to let him know I will support his decision. 

If he does enlist, you can expect to read my lament. He knows how I feel and I support his decision. 

Comment by Ian Mason on June 26, 2017 at 12:01pm

Joan, Silkeborg is close to 'Himmelbjerg', Denmark's highest mountain at 150 metres (500 feet). Nothing in Denmark is much above sea level.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 26, 2017 at 10:22am

Joan, I hear you! My children have trouble listening to "their old man". Actually, I don't have to tell them anything--not to do something, etc.--but they know me and how I feel. Then later, "you were right, Dad".

I handed over the check last night (to my farm kids) with all my concerns and suggestions. They actually listened and agreed! I'm still optimistic that they'll turn the corner. From now on, they're going to have to make it on their own. Thanks, all, for your comments.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 26, 2017 at 5:56am

Sorry about the farm problems Randy.  I imagine the youngsters are more stressed about it than you.  Hope to hear good news one of these days.

Comment by Plinius on June 26, 2017 at 4:17am

Joan, I think you're sensible to anticipate on the next crisis, but have you got someone who looks after your Spokane house? 

Comment by Ian Mason on June 26, 2017 at 12:54am

I've had several discussions with my daughter on the state of the world. She encountered Marxism in philosophy classes at high school and thinks he makes sense (base/superstructure model, capitalism as inherently unstable) but believes that nothing can be done. Such is life, put up with it, survive as best you can etc. All talk by us 'oldies' of the 'good old days' when there was solidarity, trade unions that fought for something and optimism that society could be changed for the better is just whinging and whining.

I find working hard to distinguish between accepting the things I cannot change and trying to change the things I cannot accept. These past few years I've been active again in demonstrations, rallies and petitions because I honestly think that society is regressing toward a dog-eat-dog world again.

 

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