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Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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11 "unanswerable" questions for atheists - answered (Aron Ra)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 6. 1 Reply

If you spend any time around YouTube and have any history of looking at atheist material (or even theist material!), you will inevitably run into: "XX Questions Atheists Can't Answer."  These are occasionally followed by: "XX Questions Atheists…Continue

Tags: apologist, answer, questions, unanswerable, Aron Ra

worshipping narcissists (qualiasoup & theramintrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3. 1 Reply

They're all around us: people who perceive the world as revolving around them and will go to considerable lengths to make it so: narcissists.  Such beings have been with humanity, I suspect, since humanity emerged from the gene pool.  Even worse,…Continue

Tags: narcissist, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat May 2. 42 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

Tags: singing, lyrics, reclaimed, reclaiming, HumanLight

appropriating morality (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo May 1. 7 Replies

We've all heard the claim: "Human morality comes from god."  And we've all seen for ourselves what Yahweh's "morality" looks like, from condemnations of homosexuality and the treatment of women as chattel to inexplicable sanctions against the eating…Continue

Tags: morality, appropriating, TheraminTrees

Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 19. 0 Replies

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty…Continue

Tags: Bible Belt, atheist, Jerry DeWitt

How would you respond?

Started by Christina Scribner. Last reply by Christina Scribner Apr 10. 5 Replies

So, this morning, I was at my local coffee shop as I am most weekdays between bus runs. I do the editing on my husband's books so I had my laptop with me. My wallpaper is a picture I found online sometime back of a double helix with the word atheist…Continue

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on June 20, 2017 at 4:11pm

Good points, GC. You touched on one of the core beliefs of the con, that life in "this vale of tears" means nothing compared to the life eternal to come, or as the preacher said it at a recent memorial service, "the never-ending feast." (Like, couldn't they do a little better than that?) Cozy how this gels so nicely with not caring about the environment, truth, justice or social issues.

Comment by Ian Mason on June 20, 2017 at 3:33pm

Weddings could be fun.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2017 at 3:16pm

Carl, the wedding would not be one of my choices, either. However, I think it touches a place in people that reason does not. I don't need that place, and I know you don't either. I wonder if people who do not need the pomp and circumstance of the rituals need to connect with believers in a different way than I recognize? 

Some refuse to consider non-belief; 

some have social pressures that inhibit non-belief; 

some have fear of non-belief; 

some have anger directed toward those who do not believe; 

some have feelings of guilt and shame that impede non-belief; 

Some like living in the answer instead of living in the question. 

Another way of looking at strategy is to observe how a lack of belief in god can influence individuals' who feel anger, fear, guilt, and shame? 

Perhaps, not focusing on trying to persuade believers to consider non-belief, it might be helpful to focus on the problems belief create, i.e. work toward separation of church and state, keep religion out of public schools, challenge the voucher system for funding education, confront violence in the home with public exposure of abusers, especially if the abusers are religious leaders and teachers. 

Many non-believers have doubts themselves, or they feel fear what will happen if they let others know about their lack of belief in god. The social protocols of "Don't discuss religion or politics in polite society" seems juvenile to me. Any mature, adult, mentally healthy person should be able to take on these discussions without becoming a fool or a tyrant. 

The family and friends who know I am not a believer reacted in expected ways: anger, denial, delusions, fear, pleasure, and agreement. I have a kind of script to respond to these differences. 

My goal is to remain calm, confident, competent, non-defensive, honest, and  challenge them to think, ala A Manual for Creating Atheists by Peter Boghossian. I like his style and especially his sense of humor. Challenging believers can be stressful and it does not have to be grim. Play with ideas and have some fun!

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 20, 2017 at 2:03pm

Chris, I see the Abrahamic religions' story of Abraham being ready to murder his son BecauseGodSaidSo as a moral test which Abraham failed spectacularly. He might have instead responded "Hell no!" The God character failed as well, on a grander scale, not only for heartily approving of that blind obedience but also for creating the whole scenario in the first place!

(There are various interpretations trying to paint it in a better light, such as a demonstration that human sacrifice is wrong.) 

Carl also mentioned the related, too-common fundamentalist perception that "if it's martyrdom, if must be good and righteous." Many religions promise an afterlife in which everything will be set straight and made right, so real life doesn't count as much.

Successful religious worldviews seen as memeplexes, complexes of behaviors and ideas that replicate and spread from some human "hosts" to others, need not keep their hosts alive and healthy and thriving any more than necessary to keep spreading. They don't "care" about their hosts' well-being. (Or about anything else, not being conscious.)

I grew up with "The Binding of Isaac" as a story of virtue... had to vent.

Comment by Chris on June 20, 2017 at 3:09am
Comment by Ian Mason 47 minutes ago

Good one, Chris. The absurdity of blind obedience.

Another absurd thing: in the Greek Orthodox church, if a layman puts a foot into the priest's vestry the whole church has to be re-sanctified by the patriarch. If a woman puts her foot there, the church has to be re-sanctified TWICE.

I don't know much but find it impollite to put your foot in someones face.  Maybe that's why breaking glasses is traditiional in some marriage cerimonies.

Comment by Chris on June 20, 2017 at 2:48am

I agree with you The Flying Atheist  about  about the beauty of Film Nior.

Unfortunately, it' was the '50's  with black listing.

Comment by Chris on June 20, 2017 at 2:37am


Here's an interesting web site to look at.

It describes a bit of history.

I'd like to know - Hitler describes the Third Reich.  What were the first two?

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 20, 2017 at 2:23am

That's perfect for Father's Day, Chris.  I get the feeling fundamentalist christians wouldn't grasp the absurdity of the situation.  If it's martyrdom, if must be good and righteous.  

One of my favorite time periods for film is the late 1940's and early 1950's classic film noir.  Dark and moody, raw and unforgiving, glamorous and gritty, femme fatales, crooked cops, mobsters, and lawless private eyes, all in beautiful black and white with brassy soundtracks

Comment by Chris on June 20, 2017 at 2:03am

Cartoons, Vaudville, Birlesque and movies before some sort of 'prohibition' of resque behavior was banned.

Betty Boop cartoons' were curtailed.

I herad  that people in the 1920's, or even working class people in the 1700's had more freedom to be themselves than the 1950's.

Movies in the 30's had to tell a story of hope because of the depression. Early '40's were for war effort.

Perhaps that may have been a reason why 1949 was a great year for movies.

It seems today  movies are geared towards noncostudial parents to take the kid out during 'visitation- err parenting time'

Marriage is a legal contract. The cerimony is non-binding.

More mariage cerimonies are in order without the religious order to have sex for procreation.

Comment by Ian Mason on June 20, 2017 at 1:43am

Good one, Chris. The absurdity of blind obedience.

Another absurd thing: in the Greek Orthodox church, if a layman puts a foot into the priest's vestry the whole church has to be re-sanctified by the patriarch. If a woman puts her foot there, the church has to be re-sanctified TWICE.


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