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Afrodisiacs – African Aphrodisiacs

Started by Joan Denoo 9 hours ago. 0 Replies

Am I so old and not know the definition of aphrodisiac, and its historical definition being based on Aphrodite, that her name came from the African drugs that Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans used for sexual enhancement? Dhu!  Aphrodite, ancient Greek…Continue

Tags: Africa, Lady, Victorian

Degrees of Doubt: The Claims and Credentials of Ravi Zacharias (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris May 17. 1 Reply

Anyone here ever run onto an apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias?  I've seen his name dropped multiple times on YouTube as supposedly being THE ONE APOLOGIST that no atheist wants to cross swords with, because of his facility with christian…Continue

Tags: Ravi Zacharias, Steve Baughman, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S Apr 19. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

Tags: Frank Zindler, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

Tags: Emmy, news, television, daughter, dad

attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

Tags: ideas, Islam, TheraminTrees

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

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Comment by Grinning Cat on June 11, 2015 at 3:28pm

Good one, Carl!

Plinius, I love the bumper sticker that sexologist Jill McDevitt offers for sale:

HOW TO HAVE A BIKINI BODY: 1. Put a bikini on a body

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 11, 2015 at 3:15pm

Comment by Plinius on June 11, 2015 at 11:08am

I like that, Bertold! I've dieted for some forty years and I'm NOT yet ready for the catwalk!

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on June 11, 2015 at 10:36am

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 10, 2015 at 5:11pm

Gerald, the Medieval Warm Period was a regional phenomenon. Earth as a whole was cooler than today. Source

Regions can have dramatic departures from their usual climate for years, without the planetary average shifting.

Cosmic ray flux has lagged behind the global temperature change since approximately 1970.

Figure 3: Reconstructed cosmic radiation (solid line before 1952) and directly observed cosmic radiation (solid line after 1952) compared to global temperature (dotted line). All curves have been smoothed by an 11 year running mean (Krivova 2003).

 "It seems to me to be an ideological worldview rather than empirical evidence that support's the man-made model."  LOL, what irony! I recently read that the 3% of scientists who don't support climate change consensus have strong commitments to a free market economy. If you want to start with the evidence, here's a NASA link.

Looking at the evidence is the foundation of my "emotive passion". Judicious reasoning is required to evaluate competing research and integrate the new knowledge into my understanding of reality. It's a constant challenge for me to come to grips, emotionally, with the implications of new data from the climate science. West Antarctic glaciers don't shrink because of my ideology, warm ocean water melts them. Then I learn about it and react with concern.

Not everyone has time to keep abreast. I often summarize in Ecological or Climate Concerns. A better daily source for Climate Change news is the Climate subreddit.

Thanks, Randall. Speaking of solar variations,

This diagram shows how the modeled effects of natural phenomena such as variations in solar intensity or volcanic emissions (shown by the blue band - a mean of multiple model simulations) are unable to explain the steady rise in temperature over the last forty years (shown by the black curve). Adding in the effects of anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses and aerosols to the models (red band) provides a very good reproduction of the observed temperature changes over the 20th century.

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Basically the sun was in a minimum phase while temperatures were going up.

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 10, 2015 at 11:28am

Ruth, thanks for that quick recap of recent evidence!

And Joan, I'll definitely check out The Better Angels of our Nature.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 10, 2015 at 7:27am

Great charts, Ruth! I'm not saying I agree with Archibald, although he proposes a convincing argument. It's like those creationists. Their explanations often sound plausible, especially to the gullible. But we know they are filled with falsehoods. Same with climate stats.

Archibald's conclusions are based on solar variations and volcanic ash--cyclical occurances.  I never want to be close-minded about science or even religion, for that matter.

Comment by Gerald Payne on June 9, 2015 at 2:13am

Ruth, Joan, that global warming is happening is there to see. The problem I have is the emotive conviction that it's man-made. If carbon gas emission is the only explanation allowed for the warming, then the medieval warming~1200-1400, has to be explained using the same criteria.

During the medieval, grapes were grown all over southern England and the Vikings were farming on Greenland, so this isn't some insignificant detail.

History is a chronology of the patently obvious being proven to be the wrong option. People see the atmospheric rise in emissions corresponding with rising temperatures and it all appears so clear cut. The truth of the matter is that there are other theories that display the same correspondence, Svenmarks  cosmic ray theory can explain the medieval warming and the 'little ice age' that followed.

It seems to me to be an ideological worldview rather than empirical evidence that support's the man-made model. 'We must  save the world' and 'pin your banner to the mast' are noble ambitions, but lets have a disinterested look at the theories put forward and use judicious reasoning, not emotive passion, when coming to a decision.

As people are all to fond of saying the future of the human race may depend on it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2015 at 12:27am

Randy, I don't know if we will be getting colder or warmer. All I can do is read what scientists report and try to evaluate them with an untrained eye. So far, I read and believe global warming. I do know that climate change is real. I might have to eat my words. However, climate change deniers are more likely to have to eat theirs. 

I am watching 

Twilight of Abundance: Why Life in the 21st Century will be Nasty, Brutish, and Short

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BK921Gy67A&ab_channel=TheInsti...

I'll chat with you tomorrow about what he says.

 

I do know that I am taking part in a grand experiment, moving to the country, living in the woods, growing all kinds of fruits and vegetqbles on ground that is probably sand left by the last Ice Age glaciers. 

You will probably live longer than I and will have a longer time to see what happens. In the meantime, I am having fun. I started out in college in 1955, majoring in horticulture, the only woman in the department. Here I am, 79 years old and doing horticulture in a way that didn't exist when I was in college. Oh, if my professors could see horticulture literature now, they would be blown away. 

I offer a hattip to Ruth for all the good research she presents to us. She picks articles and diagrms that help explain what is happening. I am really grateful to you, Ruth, for your fine reporting. 

I am on a new fork in the road. I am looking into peace. We have had a war college for ever. A peace college was begun in the 1960s, I think it was, and I want to see what has been found. It started for me when I read: 

Pinker, S. (2011). The Better Angels of our Nature. presented at the New York, New York: Viking.

Pinker, S. (2011). The Better Angels of our Nature. presented at the New York, New York: Viking.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2015 at 12:05am

Loren, that looks like one film I want to see!  Some interesting people involved. 

 

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