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Afrodisiacs – African Aphrodisiacs

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud 4 hours ago. 1 Reply

Am I so old and not know the definition of aphrodisiac, and its historical definition being based on Aphrodite, that her name came from the African drugs that Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans used for sexual enhancement? Dhu!  Aphrodite, ancient Greek…Continue

Tags: Africa, Lady, Victorian

Degrees of Doubt: The Claims and Credentials of Ravi Zacharias (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris May 17. 1 Reply

Anyone here ever run onto an apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias?  I've seen his name dropped multiple times on YouTube as supposedly being THE ONE APOLOGIST that no atheist wants to cross swords with, because of his facility with christian…Continue

Tags: Ravi Zacharias, Steve Baughman, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S Apr 19. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

Tags: Frank Zindler, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

Tags: Emmy, news, television, daughter, dad

attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

Tags: ideas, Islam, TheraminTrees

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

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Comment by Plinius on March 14, 2017 at 10:55am

Elections tomorrow, Randall. Keep your fingers crossed for us, or is that a religious expression?

And the price of stamps has risen enormously, I even stopped bookcrossing because a new book is about the same price as an old book by post. I bring my old books to a Little Free Library now, and find other books there.

Comment by Randall Smith on March 14, 2017 at 7:18am
Interesting, Chris! My sister was a census taker, and she, too, had stories.

To the Netherlands Chris, I watch a TV feature on your Geert Wilders. I agree--he appears to be another Trump. I reckon if Trump's personality was the reason he got elected, it will work for Wilders. Let's hope not.
Also, I received a music CD from DISCOGS out of The Netherlands, and the stamps all spell your country "Nederlands". Makes sense, but I learned something. If I figure correctly, it cost over $6 to send it. The package had six stamps! (The CD was a 1977 release of Chet Baker with Paul Desmond--very good.)
Comment by Chris on March 13, 2017 at 4:54pm

I was a census enumerator during the 1980 census at about age 19 years old. It appears the census questions expanded in the past 3 census' (37 years ago) to include "Consumer Expenditure Survey"

A search under U.S. Census bueau for "Consumer Expenditure Survey" provided numerous links.

During the 1980 Census I understood the minimum required answers to the survey was how many residents lived in the house, their ages, and income. That was thirty seven years ago so I don't remember the complexities.

One of the enerumators I worked with interviewed a person who didn't fill out the basic census form. The person she interviewed pulled a pistol on her and placed against her head. Of course after she was 'released' she called the police and the guy was arrested.

What I found while following up on people who didn't respond to the minimum questions was that the wealthier the respondend was the more likely they were to be hostile.

I went to an abandoned house along a river and found a squatter living there. He was an elderly gentleman. I talked with him for quite a while and found his life history interesting.

Being a Census Enumerator was a good job for a 19 year old.

Comment by Randall Smith on March 13, 2017 at 7:35am

RE questions about the census taker: My letterhead says "U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Economics and Statistics Admin, U.S. Census Bureau. My address had een selected "in a nationwide process for participation in the Consumer Expenditure Survey". 

The reason I was perplexed about the questions is that I didn't get the explanation letter 'til the afternoon mail on the day the person interviewed me!   What a to-do!

Comment by Plinius on March 13, 2017 at 2:10am

Todo, to-do of course. In Dutch, like in German, we have the habit to stick words together into longer lorger words, and Sometimes I forget to check.

We'll have to wait for the elections on Wednesday. Because of those,  our politicians are on their most macho behaviour and Erdogan screaming abuse doesn't help at all. And I don't think that the support for populist parties is on the wane - this incident will give them more support.

Comment by Ian Mason on March 12, 2017 at 11:17pm

I would have spelt it 'to-do'. It means a commotion or fuss.

The support for populist, nationalist parties might be on the wane in several countries in Europe as they get caught misusing EU funding. That isn't the same as a change in attitudes though.

Comment by Daniel W on March 12, 2017 at 10:11pm

I thought census was done every 10 years on years ending zero.  Wasnt last one 2010?  Maybe Im demented.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 12, 2017 at 5:32pm

Plinius, I'll use that name since we have another Chris. 

I fear for what is happening between Turkish and Dutch governments, just as I am afraid for the U.S. 

I wonder if this chaos resembles in any way, The Netherlands before the start of WW II? 

I believed the propaganda about how noble the US has been throughout history, yet a reading of facts makes me understand how profoundly influenced I am because of not reading the actual history of our nation. 

I hope your country has enough memory of the pre-WW II era that they do not go to the right political spectrum.  


Comment by Thomas Murray on March 12, 2017 at 2:15pm


What does 'todo' mean? I've already checked on line but the definitions offered are vague.

Comment by Plinius on March 12, 2017 at 5:57am

What a todo! The Turkish and the Dutch government bitching at each other and Geert Wilders - our own little trump clone - adding fuel to the fire. Mind - we'll have elections on Wednesday and I hate to think how that will work out. I fear a shift to the right..


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