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The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S on Thursday. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

Tags: Frank Zindler, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

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attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

Tags: ideas, Islam, TheraminTrees

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

The Playboy Interview: Richard Dawkins

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 28. 16 Replies

I suppose it was the news that Playboy magazine was returning nudes to its pages after a year's hiatus that sufficiently perked my curiosity to check them out again.  I hadn't looked at Playboy since perhaps 2008, when I began to recognize that I…Continue

Tags: Richard Dawkins, Playboy

God's Annual Performance Review (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Mar 19. 6 Replies

I don't know about you guys, but there wasn't a performance review I had in 30 years of field service that I didn't LOATHE.  It seems as though Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, is up for turning the tables on the person you would expect would…Continue

Tags: review, performance, god, American's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 30, 2014 at 8:41pm

My memory of daylight saving time comes from being a child during WW II. It was claimed to save energy for production of goods and services, that day light was needed to reduce the use of alternative light sources. 

"The energy saving benefits of Summer Time were recognized during World War II,"

Rationale and original idea

Of course, I am not meeting any schedule these days ... one of th benefits of retirement. However, since my retirement, I wake up with the sun and go to bed with the sun. It works for me just fine. No involvement with the clock at all. 

Let us remember that time is also a construct of man's mind. It is all relative to the seasons. Having GMT sets a standard for all to follow.  

When I lived in Alaska for two years, we had two hours of daylight in the winter and two hours of night in the summer. Living in southern Texas was quite different, but I can't remember if it caused me any distress or not. I think not. Some people had to put window covers to prevent daylight in summer. I didn't have a problem, but then, I didn't have to be any where on time.

Comment by Plinius on October 30, 2014 at 4:24pm

It always takes a week or so to get adjusted - I wonder who profits from DST?

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 30, 2014 at 3:59pm

I'm a very early morning person, and I hate Daylight "Savings" Time.

Comment by sk8eycat on October 30, 2014 at 3:57pm

@Grinning Cat: there's also a spike in evening traffic accidents in the fall for about a week after we obediently turn our clocks back.  People not used to driving home in the dark.

What I've hated for most of my adult life, is that nearly every job had me facing east while driving to work in the morning, and facing the setting sun at "night" on my way home.

The very least they could do is shorten DST to 6 months...on the summer & winter solstices.....  Would make more sense. 

Maybe.

Comment by sk8eycat on October 30, 2014 at 3:49pm

In the 1950s and earlier, ALL railroads ran on Standard Time year-round. It made more sense, especially for long-distance trains that crossed 3 or 4 time zones during a trip.

In the summer of 1957, I was in Minot ND, and they were trying DST for the very first time.  It was chaos!  Twilight at midnight, and noisy kids driving around and around the (then) tiny business district....and we had to be up at 6:30 to get ready for all-day rehearsals that began at 8AM. I was only 17, but it was the first time I really wanted to slap somebody....I just didn't know who.

I don't know when it changed, but Arizona is now the only state that doesn't "do" DST.  Almost worth moving there just for that.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 30, 2014 at 1:46pm

GC - I read that a few months back and can't recall what the article was. I tried to find it in Goog News, but no luck. Sorry.

Comment by Grinning Cat on October 30, 2014 at 1:39pm

I also read that there's a spike in traffic accidents in the days after "springing forward" and losing an hour.

Supposed energy savings in the summer are probably offset by increased air conditioning use. I'd love to learn about the evidence that the Chamber of Commerce was DST's main backer.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 30, 2014 at 1:13pm

There's a book titled Spring Forward: The Annual Madness of Daylight Saving Time by Michael Downing. Here's the Amazon summary:

Michael Downing is obsessed with Daylight Saving, the loopy idea that became the most persistent political controversy in American history. Almost one hundred years after Congressmen and lawmakers in every state first debated, ridiculed, and then passionately embraced the possibility of saving an hour of daylight, no one can say for sure why we are required by law to change our clocks twice a year. Who first proposed the scheme? The most authoritative sources agree it was a Pittsburgh industrialist, Woodrow Wilson, a man on a horse in London, a Manhattan socialite, Benjamin Franklin, one of the Caesars, or the anonymous makers of ancient Chinese and Japanese water clocks.

Spring Forward is a portrait of public policy in the 20th century, a perennially boiling cauldron of unsubstantiated science, profiteering masked as piety, and mysteriously shifting time-zone boundaries. It is a true-to-life social comedy with Congress in the leading role, surrounded by a supporting cast of opportunistic ministers, movie moguls, stockbrokers, labor leaders, sports fanatics, and railroad execs.

I also read somewhere a while back that the typical, more rational reasons given for DST (safety for school kids, more light for farmers to work) are BS, and that the Chamber of Commerce was the main lobbyist for it because market research showed that people are more likely to stop and shop when it's still light out.

Comment by sk8eycat on October 30, 2014 at 12:50pm

Randall, can't you take a cop-type flashlight with you when you walk at night?  OR no light; enjoy the "light show" in the sky if it's clear.

People around here who have to walk their dogs after dinner, usually carry baseball bats, or golf clubs, because developers have ruined the hills half a mile from here, and we have a serious coyote problem at dawn and dusk.  (We're also experiencing a severe drought, and there is very little natural prey for the coyotes in the hills anymore, so they go after people's pets, and sometimes even toddlers.  They also will drink chlorinated water out of backyard pools....)

For my own self, I despise "daylight savings."  WTF are we "saving" it for?  It doesn't pay any interest....  It may have made sense during WW2 when factories were operating 24 hours a day, but that was a long time ago.

I hate waking up at 7AM and seeing only darkness outside.  Now that I'm retired, I just go back to sleep.  Or try to.

Comment by Randall Smith on October 30, 2014 at 7:44am

Daylight savings time is about to end. Being a morning person, I'm glad. But there goes my after supper walks. County back roads get pretty dark at night.

 

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