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11 "unanswerable" questions for atheists - answered (Aron Ra)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 6. 1 Reply

If you spend any time around YouTube and have any history of looking at atheist material (or even theist material!), you will inevitably run into: "XX Questions Atheists Can't Answer."  These are occasionally followed by: "XX Questions Atheists…Continue

Tags: apologist, answer, questions, unanswerable, Aron Ra

worshipping narcissists (qualiasoup & theramintrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3. 1 Reply

They're all around us: people who perceive the world as revolving around them and will go to considerable lengths to make it so: narcissists.  Such beings have been with humanity, I suspect, since humanity emerged from the gene pool.  Even worse,…Continue

Tags: narcissist, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat May 2. 42 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

Tags: singing, lyrics, reclaimed, reclaiming, HumanLight

appropriating morality (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo May 1. 7 Replies

We've all heard the claim: "Human morality comes from god."  And we've all seen for ourselves what Yahweh's "morality" looks like, from condemnations of homosexuality and the treatment of women as chattel to inexplicable sanctions against the eating…Continue

Tags: morality, appropriating, TheraminTrees

Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 19. 0 Replies

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty…Continue

Tags: Bible Belt, atheist, Jerry DeWitt

How would you respond?

Started by Christina Scribner. Last reply by Christina Scribner Apr 10. 5 Replies

So, this morning, I was at my local coffee shop as I am most weekdays between bus runs. I do the editing on my husband's books so I had my laptop with me. My wallpaper is a picture I found online sometime back of a double helix with the word atheist…Continue

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 16, 2015 at 10:10pm

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 16, 2015 at 2:55pm

Joan, your life stories never cease to amaze me. Thanks.

Randall, I share your concern about soil loss. It's good to hear some farmers are adopting no-till.

I wrote a 7 page paper (rough draft) outlining a Partnership/complex systems/sociological/group process approach to overcome climate change denial. So far none of the people with whom I shared it by email have responded. Basically it endorses consciousness raising groups with a "no blame" approach. Can't share it here since it's not published, not hosted on a website. If you want to take a look, email me at yahoo as ruthanthonygardner and mention "Opportunity" in the subject line.

I wanted to get Chris Hedges to read it, but haven't been able to get an email address for him. I also thought to discuss it with someone who wrote an article about the connection between hierarchy and climate chang..., but the damned thing doesn't  have the author's name, only his photo. As an unknown, unpublished individual seeking attention for an unsolicited paper, it's an uphill battle.

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 16, 2015 at 2:16pm

I remember learning about the Dust Bowl in elementary school and how bad it was for farming.  However, I had no idea how horrible the whole crisis was until I watched Ken Burns' documentary The Dust Bowl, recently.  The shear force of sand-whipped winds that caused blistering on your skin.  And the prejudiced ways Okies and other migrants were treated while trying to cross the state border into California.  

Comment by Randall Smith on July 16, 2015 at 7:32am

To look at farmland and the soil in winter, when the ground is bare, it's scary. One sees a lot of subsoil spots or areas, especially on knobs where the topsoil has been washed away over the years. Where once topsoil was 18" thick, it's now only a third of that--at best. Fence rows are usually a foot higher than the adjacent fields because they've been protected--never plowed or left bare.  Farmers around my parts are slowly figuring out it's best not to till. Hence, "no-till" farming is gaining adherants. Perhaps there's hope.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 16, 2015 at 3:36am

Felaine, in 1941, construction recruiters went to the farming areas and to the cities of great migrations after the Dust Bowl to recruit builders of a massive railroad and highway system across the southern tier of the USA. The construction companies wanted poor farm men who knew how to work, had skills and were teachable, to create this gigantic project for moving men and material from coast to coast. We found out later that the preparation was for the Asian part of WW II. Dad got a job and we moved with him in a 12 foot long trailer to follow him as he moved across the Southern tier. My uncles were also part of that building project, but not at the same camps as Dad. Dad often talked about the many construction skills he learned from the Arkie and Okies with whom he worked.

Conditions were awful, as my mother described them years later. I had fun with all the Mexican and Blacks and Arkies and Okies. We sang songs, played games, shared meals, and generally had a dirty, poor, hot time of it. The Southern Tier was a motley crew if ever there was one.   

Comment by Plinius on July 16, 2015 at 2:04am

I know a little bit of that story from history books, The Grapes of Wrath, pictures by Dorothea Lange, but the reality must have been much harder.

Comment by sk8eycat on July 16, 2015 at 12:40am

My Mom's family were "Okies" who moved west to escape the Dust Bowl..  She could never bear to talk about it.  Nor could her sister and 4 brothers.  The brothers could talk about WW2 (they were all in it), but not the ghastly migration.

Comment by kathy: ky on July 16, 2015 at 12:27am
Randall, that is wonderful about rebuilding the soil.
I'm concerned about such things. The environment that is. The horror stories of the dust bowl aren't that far in the past.
And the recent rulings against the EPA...
Comment by Ian Mason on July 15, 2015 at 12:00am

Two of you now cultivating the soil, Randall and Joan. Exciting.

Got back from England yesterday evening. A very pleasant visit, although my sister-in-law has been very poorly. She has severe spinal problems and has been stuffed with painkillers to the point where they do more harm than good which meant going through the horrors of morphine and benzo-diazapam withdrawal. Fortunately she's improving now and will be sent on a pain-management course in a couple of months. She also feel more clear-headed than she has done in years. I tried to do my bit to help by doing a lot of listening plus cooking, ironing etc. My brother has to work full time and having to be her carer as well has been very wearing for him.

Comment by Plinius on July 14, 2015 at 9:02am

That ís exciting, Randall!

 

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