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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller yesterday. 39 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Sep 6. 0 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

Tags: religion, TheraminTrees, punish, doubt

We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 2. 17 Replies

I suppose I've heard stories like this before:Conscientious atheist donates money to worthy cause.Worthy cause initially accepts money.Worthy cause discovers source of donation.Worthy cause rejects donation.Swell, eh?  Well Matt Willbourne of…Continue

Tags: American Baptist Churches Association, Murrow Indian Children's Home, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly Sep 2. 3 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

Tags: bible, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 29. 22 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

Tags: patriot, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:47pm

Felaine, your English teach, Miss Esther Weinstock, was a treasure indeed. Some teachers just have a spark that brings young minds to life. You and I were blessed with having such teachers. 

I was hard on my students, whether the college classes, or the work I did in poverty projects. No one gains by not thinking and by accepting easy answers. Figuring out ways to get a lazy mind to do some work is a challenge, but the rewards great! 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:39pm

Carl, excellent question. It goes on the list.

"Is god doing a good job?" 

Googling this questions, this came up: 

Poll: 52 percent approve of God’s job performance

I would surely like to know who they polled? 

"God’s job performance has trouble measuring up to many Americans' expectations, according to a poll by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm based in North Carolina.

"Only 52 percent of Americans approve of God’s job performance, the survey found, though just 9 percent disapprove."

"'voters give God its best rating on creating the universe, 71-5,' the polling report said. 'They also approve of its handling of the animal kingdom 56-11, and even its handling of natural disasters 50-13.'"

I would guess a much higher number disapprove of god's performance, but then, what do I know about public trends? I am totally out of step with so many people on so many dimensions. 

I've been watching some debates, theists vs. atheists, and very few of the atheists cite biblical and historical events of murder, bashing babies heads against stone walls or stabbing them with a sword. I keep prompting the video to take on that tactic. The words are in the bible of god telling the Israelites how to murder, plunder and rape. 

I ran across these titles that gave me chills. How to defend one's religious faith; how one should think; cultural stories that shape lives: 

* Faith has its reasons: Integrative approaches to defending the christian faith, Kenneth Boa. 

*The christian mind: How should a christian think, Harry Blamires. 

*Hidden worldviews: Eight cultural stories that shape our lives, Steve Wilkens. 

Well, I think we have good reason to point out the reasons faith in delusions is unhealthy; that being told the shoulda-oughta-gotta thinking mentality is fascist; and we can develop a culture based on reason, cooperation, and non-exploitation of the Earth and it's resources. 

This is going to be fun! 

Comment by sk8eycat on April 15, 2014 at 11:35pm

The Science Fiction filksinging community makes up song parodies using almost anything.  Another is based on "that Old-Time religion"....

It was good enough for Dagon
That conservative old Pagan
Who sill votes for Ronald Reagan.
So it's good enough for me.

I was at a Worldcon in 1984 at the Anaheim Hilton (next to Disneyland), and some drunken surfers crashed a huge roomful of us who were singing that song at the time.  All they heard was the melody, and thought we were jeebus-freaks (they were having their own counter-convention at a hotel across the street from our hotel), and got really disruptive.  A bunch of guys dressed as Klingons booted them out.

I miss going to conventions, but can't afford hotel expenses anymore.  FFRF is having their fall convention in Los Angeles this year...Waaaahhhh!  I wanna GO!  But $170 a night is a bit much.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:06pm

Felaine, "My god's better 'cause she has eighteen tits" may be a reference to that wonderful myth of Artemis that goes back as far as the 8th century BCE. Her statue at Ephesus dates from the 1st century CE. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:03pm

Carl, a delightful film. they obviously enjoyed the adventure. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 15, 2014 at 10:52pm

Joan, I can't remember if I saw this recently on Atheist/Nexus or elsewhere, but someone posted a topic/blog with the question, "Is god doing a good job?"  I think that is an excellent question to ask the believer.  I'm sure that for every one, supposedly godly act they can think of that is good, we can respond with multiple examples of his uncaring incompetence.  At some point a rational person, even after honest worship and countless, heartfelt prayers, would have to concede that the bad and tragic events that god allows far outweigh the good.  This is the perfect opportunity to plant the seed that perhaps god is not there. 

Comment by sk8eycat on April 15, 2014 at 10:08pm

Joan, one of the favorite SF filksongs is "My God's Better than Your God," to the tune of the old Ken-L-Ration commercial, "My Dog's Better than Your dog." It has so many verses that it can be sung all night (the more bheers you've had, the more verses you can come up with.
Sample:
My god's better than your god,
My god's better than yours.
My god's better 'cause she has eighteen tits.
My god's better than yours.
and on and on.

Comment by sk8eycat on April 15, 2014 at 9:53pm

Joan, do you mean Miss Weinstock's love of Burns and shakespeare, or BHS's love of Miss Weinstock? 

She WAS a treasure; she made Shakespeare's characters come to life for us, taught us to write our own thoughts on myriad subjects, and she was tough.  She didn't baby us at all.

She graduate of Reed College in Portland, and started out in the 1920s as a gym teacher, but by the time I was in high school (Class of '57) she was THE senior English teacher, and everyone who was thinking about going to college wanted to be in her classes. 

The other Sr. English teacher had been a missionary in China before the revolution, and probably had a lot of interesting stories to tell, but she was also the adviser of the Campus Christians club, and even though I was still going to church at that time, I was beginning to have doubts, and didn't want to have anything to do with her or the club.

After a few months in Miss Weinstock's class, I had the feeling that she was not religious at all.  Comforting.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 9:52pm

Patricia, I realize you know where I live, and others in the string may not. It will be interesting to learn if others in the US can get the site. Thanks for the opportunity to try your link. 

One other thought about worship, I realize that worship means putting one's hands together, bowing one's head, and letting-go-letting-god. These all exist as devices to stop thinking, taking action, and making a difference. 

I once belonged to Fourth Presbyterian Church in Bethesda, MD. with Richard CHalverson, senior pastor, the chaplain of the United States Senate and leader in the International Prayer Breakfast Movement. A fellow member spent the two years I was there hearing her pray that her husband would find the lord's plan for his life and would bring a job for her out-of-work husband. She took great care in fulfilling her evangelical calling to bring sheep to the shepherd.  

That was one the situations that added to my doubts about god and religion having any answers at all in matters of problems and conflicts. I realize that religion and god exist as a delusion that stops thinking and acting. 

The great thing about atheism is I see no evidence that god intervenes in lives confronted with serious problems and conflicts. Just look at the many problems going on around the world that involve arguments of over whose god is the real, true god, how one is to act in order to meet moral codes set by dogma, and how religion is used to make claims that have no relevance to today's world, i.e. Israel and Palestine. One had better start thinking, exploring, experimenting, doubting and questioning if he or she does not want to be and remain a victim.

Think > Identify a preferred goal > Explore options > Take action > Evaluate outcomes > Repeat until the goal is reached or changed.

 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 15, 2014 at 9:49pm

Hello, friends.  There's been so much great content posted here.  I've been busy traveling, so I've had limited time to reply.  Plus it's very awkward and time consuming to reply "texting-style" from a small smart-phone.  My typing skills are better utilized at a full keyboard.  I've always said that the most valuable and useful class I took in high school was my typing class.  Who would have thought that decades later we'd all be sitting in front of a keyboard and corresponding via the internet. 

Mindy, I love the "My right to believe as I see fit" poster.  That's a keeper!

Loren, Spooky is priceless!  I love the photos. 

Chris, Poeka was beautiful.  A very pretty color.  Everyone's cat photos always make me smile. 

Here's a fun video about two women and the first time they flew in an airplane.  These two are ladies are absolutely charming and priceless.  I think this will put a smile on your faces. 

 

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