Hang With Friends

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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

Nobody here is into mind games. A discussion started with a loaded guilt-throwing question will be deleted.

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Discussion Forum

The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly yesterday. 15 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

Tags: bible, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo on Tuesday. 2 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

Tags: religion, TheraminTrees, punish, doubt

A moment to relax and see the Earth from space; some how this comforts me.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev on Sunday. 3 Replies

All the squabbles and struggles that I have do not compare with those of some others on this great planet. There are no boundary lines, no political arguments, no up or no down. What is, is. For right now, the scenes offer tranquility. Just the…Continue

Tags: and, wonder, awe, of, space

His Dark Materials and the Catholic Church

Started by Tonya R. Wheeler. Last reply by Plinius on Sunday. 27 Replies

I recently watched the movie, "The Golden Compass" and since I could not find the sequels, I read the books. I enjoyed them, and I will be reading the first one, Northern Lights, starting tomorrow, since it just arrived via inter-library…Continue

Tags: Fantasy, Catholic, Religion, Atheist, Pullman

Issues Atheist, Feminist, GLBTQ, Climate Change

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Oct 6. 2 Replies

This is a test Continue

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 29. 39 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

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Comment by Grinning Cat on December 28, 2013 at 12:57am

Thanks, Joan, for setting us straight about the original Pandora.

Comment by sk8eycat on December 27, 2013 at 11:29pm

Comment by sk8eycat on December 27, 2013 at 11:27pm

Sorry.  I thought it was funny.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on December 27, 2013 at 6:17pm

I prefer the actual nonviolent Boxing Day to that LOL, sk8eycat. Enough violence already.

Thanks for the education about Pandora and her jar, Joan, including the links. Mythic inversion indeed.

booklover, that's hilarious!

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2013 at 3:28pm

Ian, the Trojan Horse in Turkey is a prime example of justifiable fear of the Greek mythology. A lovely gift, and so generous, at the cost of the city of Troy. 

Or the "gift of God" of his son, Jesus. What a gift. Father a human child by invading the body of a young woman, (not a virgin as has been written), without her knowledge or her consent, with the sole intention of having Jesus slaughtered as a sacrificial lamb of god for the primitive people who were designed by god to be imperfect and punished by god for being imperfect. 

Nonsense, built upon nonsense. This is pure comedy and should be treated as such. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2013 at 2:27pm

Thanks Ian. 

ti·me·o Da·na·os et do·na fe·ren·tes; Latin.

English tim-ee-oh dan-ey-ohs et doh-nuh fuh-ren-teez]  

I fear the Greeks even when they bear gifts (I fear treacherous persons even when they appear to be friendly). Vergil's Aeneid:  I, 2:49.

Comment by Ian Mason on December 27, 2013 at 12:06pm

Timeo Daneos et dona ferentes, Joan.

A realistic tract about death: like it.

I'd heard of sugar-free for diabetics but fat-free is new to me.

Finished my last shift this morning and have (almost) the rest of the year off, from now until 11 p.m. New Year's evening. Time for the last burst of housework in 2013.

Comment by Plinius on December 27, 2013 at 1:03am

Some years ago I read texts about the male usurpation of matriarchal societies and religions , but texts like these are always biassed one way or the other. As far as I remember Mary could have been a goddes in her own right and later incorporated in xtianity.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 26, 2013 at 10:01pm

Part 2

One example that made us have a really hearty laugh was the ancient stories of Pandora of Neolithic times. She was the bringer of water, grains, animals, and all things needed to survive and thrive according to the clay figurines, and ancient art. 

In Greek mythologyPandora (Greek: Πανδώρα, derived from πᾶν, pān, i.e. "all" and δῶρον, dōron, i.e. "gift", thus "the all-endowed", "the all-gifted" or "the all-giving". "She who sends up gifts,"[3] implying "from below" within the earth, which is a clue to an earlier myth." 

Pandora, c. 1626, Nicolas Régnier correctly portrayed Pandora with a jar, not a box, in his Allegory of Vanity—Pandora

Her tool was a jar. When the patriarchs told her story, she had a box of evil things, representing vanity, hunger, disease, evil spirits. Thus Pandora and her box of evil.

The oracles of Delphi were males, according to Greek tour guides. When Gimbutas and Eisler made statements about only women being oracles, the official guides, that we were required to have with us, refuted their version. The guide insisted no woman was worthy of such an honor. 

Patriarchally influences archaeologist not only re-told these stories, they also revised them to suit their political interests. 


Comment by Joan Denoo on December 26, 2013 at 9:59pm

Patriarchal religions require dominance of male authority. 

When I travelled through Turkey, Greece, and Crete with Marija Gimbutas and Riane Eisler, they revealed that there was no evidence of a matriarchy in ancient times of the Neolithic to match patriarchy. Women were perceived as having special powers of bleeding and not dying, bearing and suckling children, and were wisdom keepers. 

Gimbutas, in her archeology digs near Thessaly, Greece, digging through layers of earth representing a period of time before contemporary estimates for Neolithic habitation in Europe — where other archaeologists would not have expected further finds — she unearthed a great number of artifacts of daily life which she researched and documented throughout her career."

"After a millennium when the Hun Empire collapsed, a distinct Slavic culture re-emerged and spread rapidly.""Neither Bulgars nor Avars colonized the Balkan Peninsula, after storming Thrace, Iilyria and Greece they went back to their territory north of the Danube. It was the Slavs who did the colonizing.[11]"

~ Marija Gimbutas

Obviously, patriarchal religions deny this and delude others into thinking female leaders assumed the same power as male leaders. 
Both Gimbutas and Eisler had their detractors, even among academics. Who can one trust as an archeologist? To whom does one go for authoritative evidence, patriarchal archaeologists or evidence based ones? 


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