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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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The Playboy Interview: Richard Dawkins

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris on Sunday. 14 Replies

I suppose it was the news that Playboy magazine was returning nudes to its pages after a year's hiatus that sufficiently perked my curiosity to check them out again.  I hadn't looked at Playboy since perhaps 2008, when I began to recognize that I…Continue

Tags: Richard Dawkins, Playboy

Such Lyrics!

Started by Donatien Alphonse François. Last reply by Grinning Cat Feb 13. 9 Replies

Hello Friends,I was ruminating a bit today on my sixty-some years existence. My mind went back to teenage years when I first figured out religion is not only obnoxiously loud, but also nothing I wanted anything to do with. Truly. I knew by age 15…Continue

degrading love — part two (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 11. 1 Reply

TheraminTrees set up religion with his left in Part One of his treatise on how religion demeans and degrades the value of love.  Here in Part Two, he brings in a devastating, "Mike Tyson" right, which negates and invalidates any claim that either…Continue

Tags: Christianity, Islam, TheraminTrees, god, love

Questions......

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by k.h. ky Feb 9. 6 Replies

   It has been 6 month now since I signed up for Atheist Nexus membership. The past year has been sort of a bi-polar wave of emotions for me. I hope I wasn't offensive to the folks on here and I think I have been but I don't know to who. My desire…Continue

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris Jan 31. 15 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

Tags: Emmy, news, television, daughter, dad

Men who challenge men to stop violence

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jan 9. 19 Replies

Many men join in the effort to reduce violence against women and children and other men. He speaks of the need to place responsibility on men instead of focusing on women to stop violence. He offers a breath of fresh air, as do so many of the men on…Continue

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Comment by Idaho Spud on February 24, 2014 at 1:14pm

Chris, I'm sorry about your stress-load.  

I would ask if you can delegate, but that's probably as stupid as your GP's suggestion.  Plus, I hate delegating.  I like things done my way.

I am learning my limit however.  When I reach it, I just refuse to do anymore, despite people thinking I'm lazy.

Comment by Plinius on February 24, 2014 at 10:33am

How I hate being weak! It has been a load of extra work of course, organising for brother-in-law, cleaning out his apartment, taking care of his cat, making everything ready for a move to a home for people with non innate brain damage, washing - have you noticed  how hospital staff find the woman in the patient's family and give her ten kilograms of washing? - visiting the patient, have endless talks with psychologists and social workers. I took the load of course, together with husband - till last week. My heartrate went up to a point where I couldn't sleep anymore, I'm nauseous and dizzy and I've spent the weekend in bed, lying awake and crying when someone says something kind to me. I can manage this, but I really don't know how to manage the extra work. The stupid GP says that I should relax; what a wonderful diagnosis...

Comment by Idaho Spud on February 24, 2014 at 10:23am

Ian, I like your "Screw it, I'm gardening" picture.

Comment by Ian Mason on February 24, 2014 at 9:05am

Joan: first, I agree with Mindy and second, I have 3 sets of skills that have been of less and less use as time has gone on (printer, B.A. lit and care worker) I was already too old to use the B.A. when I'd finished it at the age of 28, most printing work in Europe has now been moved to Poland or the Baltic states (no unions, low pay) and the current financial crisis is causing huge cuts at floor level in care work while the nunber of bureaucrats and "consultants" increases. At age 57 I would never get a place in any new training and am not attractive to employers. The truth is that for working class people in our times you can't win and without a good union you can't break even.

Comment by sk8eycat on February 24, 2014 at 4:29am

Joan, what about highly-educated people who are let go when the frantic rush is over?...I'm thinking of all the aerospace workers at Douglas and other companies who were laid off when Tricky Dick cut the funding for the Apollo program while he was talking to Armstrong and Aldrin on the moon.  Many of them ended up driving cabs and mopping hospital floors...some for years.  There just weren't enough jobs in their specialties to go around.

A few managed to get into other fields...the Bird Respirator (that little green thing that isn't used much anymore) was invented by a couple of guys who worked on space suit life support.

And when people with PhDs end up driving cabs,  or working as janitors, or pumping gas, what happens to the people who only know how to drive cabs or mop floors?  And gas stations started closing by the dozens about then, too.

IMO we are over-breeding...there aren't as many good jobs to go around as there were 50 years ago.  I used to do manual bookkeeping after I quit skating...one person using QuickBooks, or some other program, can do in one day what it took me a week or more to do manually (plus typing out all the P&Ls and relevant tax returns...on a manual typewriter!)  I am obsolete.  Totally.

I did sort of learn one bookkeeping system almost 20 years ago... M.A.S.90...it was hideously complex, but if you did everything right, it not only kept the books in balance, but printed accounts payable checks, AND figured the payroll and printed those checks, too.  But if you made a mistake, it took an act of congress to reverse it out and start over. 

My employer treated me like a recalcitrant 3-year old.  I stuck it out for a year because I needed the money; during that year three other, younger, smarter women came in and worked alongside me (it was a very small office) and all three quit in tears.  I didn't quit in tears, but I had already cleaned out my desk and was just waiting.  When the Revolving B*tch started in on me one afternoon, I just took my key to the office off my key ring flipped it in the middle of the room, and said "Goodbye.".And walked out the door.

She had the nerve to call me two days later to ask if I was still going to baby-sit her cocker spaniel that weekend.  I had no arguments with Beanie, so I did...as long as I didn't have to see Mrs. B*tch.  Her husband met me and paid me.

As far as I know there are no unions for "white collar" workers in small offices.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 24, 2014 at 12:32am

Felaine, what a life you have had! It must have been exciting and I imagine you met many different types of people. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 24, 2014 at 12:24am

Patricia, I know what you write is true, however, Loren makes the case that I am trying to: 

  • In the face of enlightened, personnel-oriented management, unions are unnecessary.
  • In the face of antagonistic, profit-oriented management, unions are MANDATORY.

Unions, like democracy, is only as good as the people involved. 

Perhaps you have a different idea of how to equalize power between workers and management. With an excess of workers applying for each job, and with people not having the skills needed to perform the jobs for this time in history, and not having resources to upgrade their skills, what options do you see? 

A well informed working person knows what skills are needed and takes the initiative to learn those skills. 

Typically, low skill jobs, often in the service industry, do not pay living wages and therefore workers have to take the initiative to develop those skills that pay well. If they failed to get a good public education, or if they failed to apply themselves in free public school, who is to blame for their economic problems? 

I have very little interest in those who did not apply themselves in school. They have no one to blame but themselves. 

For those who did apply themselves in school, learned to be a mechanic, or nurse, or technician, or plumber, or electrician, and who perform at responsible levels, they should be able to earn a living wage. These people, when exploited, need to unionize. 

Comment by sk8eycat on February 23, 2014 at 11:46pm

Goodbye to Sochi!  (I'm the 5th girl on the left)

Comment by Loren Miller on February 23, 2014 at 9:49pm

Joan, a long time ago, I determined the following:

  • In the face of enlightened, personnel-oriented management, unions are unnecessary.
  • In the face of antagonistic, profit-oriented management, unions are MANDATORY.

And from where I sit, I've seen entirely too much of the latter and not enough of the former.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 23, 2014 at 9:36pm

Unions have a terrible reputation, well earned, for not representing their members and scamming the money into their own pockets. 

That said, workers need unions to equalize power with owners of wealth. One carpenter, or one skater or one writer has so little influence over what happens, the corruption continues. When the union is corrupt, then something more needs to happen. Keeping track of statements made and decisions rendered, is the beginning of fighting any dispute. A good investigative reporter knows how to do these things, as does a good lawyer. Both can be allies for the worker.   

 

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