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Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by k.h. ky on Saturday. 20 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

Tags: patriot, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat on Thursday. 11 Replies

I suppose I've heard stories like this before:Conscientious atheist donates money to worthy cause.Worthy cause initially accepts money.Worthy cause discovers source of donation.Worthy cause rejects donation.Swell, eh?  Well Matt Willbourne of…Continue

Tags: American Baptist Churches Association, Murrow Indian Children's Home, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Ark Encounter: A Less than Grand Opening (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 21. 24 Replies

The day finally arrived.  Ken Ham's Ark Encounter opened on 7 July, 2016 ... to something a bit less than Disney-sized crowds, and more than a couple dissenting voices!  Seth Andrews has gathered a quartet of significant participants in the protest…Continue

Tags: Tracey Moody, Dan Broadbent, Seth Andrews, David Silverman, AronRa

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Aug 14. 91 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Wedding Haka - Subtitled & translated

Started by Joan Denoo Aug 13. 0 Replies

I ran across a video of a wedding in which a group of wedding guests celebrated with a performance of a traditional Māori ancestral war dance, called a Haka. It was intended for sons, however, the women have joined in a participation of…Continue

Tags: new, traditions., women, men, Haka

Onward (Unpaid) Christian Soldiers (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 13. 1 Reply

Proselytizing in the military is a dirty little secret most radical christians would rather didn't get out.  Well, never let it be said that America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, was ever a wallflower where a pit bull was needed!  In the following…Continue

Tags: Military Religious Freedom Foundation, MRFF, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 9:04pm

Our group is well informed on the challenges facing USA and Earth  today and has taken steps to prepare for whatever happens, whether it is an economic collapse or a precipitous weather change.  If neither one occurs, then we have lost nothing. If these or other factors catch us off guard we are flexible and adaptive. 

There is no substitute for simple pleasures, and wonder only requires being aware of all the diversity around us. We have not had the scorching heat and humidity that so many experience; for that I am grateful. 

“Money has never made man happy, nor will it, there is nothing in its nature to produce happiness. The more of it one has the more one wants.”

~ Benjamin Franklin


 

Comment by sk8eycat on July 21, 2013 at 8:08pm

I don't want to interrupt, because this is a fascinating discussion (has anybody else noticed that the US economy started to slide when Nixon slashed NASA's budget ...while he was on the phone with Armstron & Aldrin!  We've never really recovered from that.)

Anyway, I've been playing  with fall recipes:

EVE WAS FRAMED APPLE SOUP
Recipe developed by The Serpent
  

2          Cups               Apple Juice or Cider

2          Large              Cooking Apples; peeled, cored, coarsely chopped

¼         Cup                 Raisins

2          Sticks             Cinnamon     

2                                  Whole Allspice  (optional)

2          Tbsp               Brown Sugar

1          Tbsp               GOOD Brandy (NOT  “cooking brandy”)

In large saucepan, combine apple juice, apples, raisins, cinnamon, and allspice.  Bring to slow boil; reduce heat, cover, and simmer 15 to 20 minutes until apples are tender. 

Stir in brown sugar and brandy and simmer, stirring occasionally, until sugar is completely dissolved.  Remove cinnamon and allspice and discard. 

Can be served warm or chilled with smoky ham slices, cheddar cheese, crackers, crusty bread, etc., on the side.  (Cheese biscuits?) 

For a different texture, after removing cinnamon and allspice, puree’ in blender.


 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:10pm

Patricia, I like you joining in the "Pissed Off crowd. We are becoming legion. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:04pm

Carl, I agree with your assessment and comparison with WWII limits on our consumption. Yes, we all have enjoyed these years of prosperity that grew from 1945 to 1975. The wage gap began to grow in 1975 and then grew exponentially until we are in the mess we are in now.
I think you are correct that people will resist voluntarily cutting back on consumption. The problem is, Earth cannot sustain our present consumption levels in the USA, and other countries are getting into positions to be able to afford increased consumption after all those low paying jobs went to Third World Counties where low pay was better than in the feudal days of their slavery or serfdom.  

There are problems at all levels of our society, economic, educational, health care, financial, political and religious. People don't want to give up privileges; others want to have access to opportunities. These conflicting values work against the kinds of changes we need to make. 

So, what is one to do? I don't have the power to change things that need to change; I do have the power to act and speak in ways that influence some, if not all. 

I get really annoyed when people tell me I am too negative. I think there are too many who are not negative enough. Being negative is only the beginning of problem solving. One has to acknowledge there is a problem before one can even imagine a preferred future. If one lives in denial or delusions, he and she become part of the problem.  

Therefore, 1. we need a time and place to be discerning, to name the problem, to describe events, to do some critical thinking;

2. then we need a time and place to imagine a preferred future, with no limits on the imagining, no criticizing, no setting of limits;

3. after that comes the time to be critical, what options have the highest probability of getting from where we are to where we want to be? what resources do we need? and lack? how are we going to develop a budget? who does what, when, where?

4. Develop an action plan and put the plan to work;

5. Evaluate outcomes asking are we reaching our goals? Do we need to do more or less of the same? or do something differently?  or do nothing? 

Underlying all these problems, in my opinion, is religion. Even those who do not believe one religion or another, many people fall into line of the religious leaders who call for preposterous rules and laws. Those who claim authority over others because of traditions only add fuel to the already smoldering fire. 

For me, Atheist Nexus and other groups that support secular thinking offer the times and places for discussion.  Life without god seems right to me. 

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 1:23pm
Ruth, very good point, "I don’t think fear of rejection keeps people in long term relationships."

My fear when leaving religion behind was that I would not have as good a support system. I didn't think in terms of having a healthier one. After leaving, finding friends to share my thoughts developed, slowly at first, and when all is said and done, I am far healthier with healthy friends and family.

My fear when leaving my marriage was that I would be alone, unable to cope with three small children, and I would never travel again. All those faux-fears never materialized. I have never been as lonely as when I was married; my children began to thrive without the brutal hand of ebedience training; and I was able to do research in 32 nations after my divorce.

By facing my fears, thinking for myself, paying attention to outcomes, I was able to not only survive but thrive.

Thanks for the opportunity to rethink my previous comment.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 21, 2013 at 12:49pm

I'm am quite aware of the many sacrifices that were made by civilians during the period of WWII.  Government enforced rationing of meat, gas, rubber (auto tires), sugar, butter, coffee, metal, etc, etc.  The long list goes on and on.  I often times wonder if our society today could even begin to accept such inconveniences without total anarchy breaking out.  The modern, western-style of over-consumption has not only become our normal standard of living but also an expected human right, any negative consequences be damned.  

Since the time of WWII we have participated in several more wars but we have not rationed since the 1940's.  We had long lines for gasoline for a short period in the 1970's, but alas, that was only temporary.  Once the oil was flowing again, our over-consumption kicked right back in.  I'm deeply troubled by this behavior and I'm at a loss for a solution.  As I stated above, I honestly don't think our selfish society today would allow government enforced cutbacks on our consumption without all Hell breaking loose.  And it doesn't help that many people don't even wish to do so voluntarily.  We're in a very sad state. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 21, 2013 at 12:47pm

Yes, welcome indeed, John Kennedy Opiyo.


Randall, I bristle too when an otherwise resonant passage suddenly slips in theism. My tolerance for theism is very very low. I even react negatively when I see atheists here wasting otherwise productive minds discussing nuances of theistic doctrine.


Yes, Joan, a wider, longer perception of events is what I need, along with enjoyment of fluttering fledglings on shrubs. I appreciate Albert Ellis, but I don’t think fear of rejection keeps people in long term relationships. We have an instinctive need for other people.


Ian, I enjoy neon lights, and find it easy to ignore the commercial messages for the color and luminosity.

Comment by Ian Mason on July 21, 2013 at 11:48am

Welcome, John Kennedy Opiyo. Enjoy yourself here and be sure that you have the support of good, kind people.

Felaine, loosing a pet is hard. Feel free to vent, We understand and feel with you.

Joan, I wouldn't want to be without the benefits of modern society but we really do need to learn responsibility. Life wouldn't be so hard without, for example, huge neon advertising signs. I reflect sometimes on the root of the word "luxury", from the Greek "lux" meaning light. There were times when light was a luxury for 90% of people. Shouldn't go back to those times but a little moderation would benefit here in the over-consuming West. We could learn to appreciate the darkness/night but of course without "god" coming into it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 11:31am
Randall, The night sky, diversity of flora, fauna, and elements, opportunity, and possibilities all reside in the perception of the individual and require no god to make them magnificent and preferable. To refer to nature and god in the same paragraph reveals more about the writer than about the nature of these things. Personally, I think referring to god creates a dumbing down of society. Ya, I am pissed when I read such drivel as well.
Comment by Loren Miller on July 21, 2013 at 9:03am

You're not the only one to be pissed off by Bogard's presumption, Randall.  May I heartily recommend you write NatGeo and register a bit of indignation with them?  Somehow, people need to understand that awe and wonder need not be coupled to some imagined super-being, that the beauty of this reality stands amazingly well all on its own.

 

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