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maggie and milly and molly and may (Edward Estlin Cummings & Eric Whitacre)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Nov 20. 2 Replies

It's amazing what you discover when you go looking for something you had no idea you'd find.  On an impulse, I pulled up Eric Whitacre's website to see if he had created any new pieces.  It would seem that he has: a song cycle called The City and…Continue

Tags: e e cummings, Eric Whitacre

There Is Only One Way to Destroy ISIS

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Nov 18. 1 Reply

There Is Only One Way to Destroy ISISGrowth in population, policies and practices that create a gap between the typical person and the wealthy,…Continue

Passive and Active voices

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 16. 1 Reply

Have you noticed that much of the discussion in families and with friends, in the print media, on TV, and now on the internet is in the Passive Voice? Many people whine, complain, gripe, accuse, blame, call names, ridicule, grumble, bitch, rebuke,…Continue

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Detroit Businesswomen Team Up to Get Rape Kits Tested

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by The Flying Atheist Nov 14. 2 Replies

Detroit Businesswomen Team Up to Get Rape Kits Tested"In 2009, a Wayne County assistant prosecuting attorney noticed…Continue

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Something Beautiful – Nathan Phelps & Seth Andrews

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Nov 10. 7 Replies

And it is beautiful, too, indeed, I think some of Seth Andrews' best work.  Interesting point: rather than Seth's dulcet baritone doing the narration, this piece presses Nathan Phelps' deep bass intonation into service, bringing a different flavor…Continue

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Your favorite photobombs?

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Oct 27. 14 Replies

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on June 11, 2015 at 10:36am

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 10, 2015 at 5:11pm

Gerald, the Medieval Warm Period was a regional phenomenon. Earth as a whole was cooler than today. Source

Regions can have dramatic departures from their usual climate for years, without the planetary average shifting.

Cosmic ray flux has lagged behind the global temperature change since approximately 1970.

Figure 3: Reconstructed cosmic radiation (solid line before 1952) and directly observed cosmic radiation (solid line after 1952) compared to global temperature (dotted line). All curves have been smoothed by an 11 year running mean (Krivova 2003).

 "It seems to me to be an ideological worldview rather than empirical evidence that support's the man-made model."  LOL, what irony! I recently read that the 3% of scientists who don't support climate change consensus have strong commitments to a free market economy. If you want to start with the evidence, here's a NASA link.

Looking at the evidence is the foundation of my "emotive passion". Judicious reasoning is required to evaluate competing research and integrate the new knowledge into my understanding of reality. It's a constant challenge for me to come to grips, emotionally, with the implications of new data from the climate science. West Antarctic glaciers don't shrink because of my ideology, warm ocean water melts them. Then I learn about it and react with concern.

Not everyone has time to keep abreast. I often summarize in Ecological or Climate Concerns. A better daily source for Climate Change news is the Climate subreddit.

Thanks, Randall. Speaking of solar variations,

This diagram shows how the modeled effects of natural phenomena such as variations in solar intensity or volcanic emissions (shown by the blue band - a mean of multiple model simulations) are unable to explain the steady rise in temperature over the last forty years (shown by the black curve). Adding in the effects of anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses and aerosols to the models (red band) provides a very good reproduction of the observed temperature changes over the 20th century.


Basically the sun was in a minimum phase while temperatures were going up.

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 10, 2015 at 11:28am

Ruth, thanks for that quick recap of recent evidence!

And Joan, I'll definitely check out The Better Angels of our Nature.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 10, 2015 at 7:27am

Great charts, Ruth! I'm not saying I agree with Archibald, although he proposes a convincing argument. It's like those creationists. Their explanations often sound plausible, especially to the gullible. But we know they are filled with falsehoods. Same with climate stats.

Archibald's conclusions are based on solar variations and volcanic ash--cyclical occurances.  I never want to be close-minded about science or even religion, for that matter.

Comment by Gerald Payne on June 9, 2015 at 2:13am

Ruth, Joan, that global warming is happening is there to see. The problem I have is the emotive conviction that it's man-made. If carbon gas emission is the only explanation allowed for the warming, then the medieval warming~1200-1400, has to be explained using the same criteria.

During the medieval, grapes were grown all over southern England and the Vikings were farming on Greenland, so this isn't some insignificant detail.

History is a chronology of the patently obvious being proven to be the wrong option. People see the atmospheric rise in emissions corresponding with rising temperatures and it all appears so clear cut. The truth of the matter is that there are other theories that display the same correspondence, Svenmarks  cosmic ray theory can explain the medieval warming and the 'little ice age' that followed.

It seems to me to be an ideological worldview rather than empirical evidence that support's the man-made model. 'We must  save the world' and 'pin your banner to the mast' are noble ambitions, but lets have a disinterested look at the theories put forward and use judicious reasoning, not emotive passion, when coming to a decision.

As people are all to fond of saying the future of the human race may depend on it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2015 at 12:27am

Randy, I don't know if we will be getting colder or warmer. All I can do is read what scientists report and try to evaluate them with an untrained eye. So far, I read and believe global warming. I do know that climate change is real. I might have to eat my words. However, climate change deniers are more likely to have to eat theirs. 

I am watching 

Twilight of Abundance: Why Life in the 21st Century will be Nasty, Brutish, and Short

I'll chat with you tomorrow about what he says.


I do know that I am taking part in a grand experiment, moving to the country, living in the woods, growing all kinds of fruits and vegetqbles on ground that is probably sand left by the last Ice Age glaciers. 

You will probably live longer than I and will have a longer time to see what happens. In the meantime, I am having fun. I started out in college in 1955, majoring in horticulture, the only woman in the department. Here I am, 79 years old and doing horticulture in a way that didn't exist when I was in college. Oh, if my professors could see horticulture literature now, they would be blown away. 

I offer a hattip to Ruth for all the good research she presents to us. She picks articles and diagrms that help explain what is happening. I am really grateful to you, Ruth, for your fine reporting. 

I am on a new fork in the road. I am looking into peace. We have had a war college for ever. A peace college was begun in the 1960s, I think it was, and I want to see what has been found. It started for me when I read: 

Pinker, S. (2011). The Better Angels of our Nature. presented at the New York, New York: Viking.

Pinker, S. (2011). The Better Angels of our Nature. presented at the New York, New York: Viking.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2015 at 12:05am

Loren, that looks like one film I want to see!  Some interesting people involved. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 8, 2015 at 9:27pm

Randall, David Archibald's book isn't based on fact, or it misrepresents the fact. Here's a NASA chart. The Northern Hemisphere responds more quickly to Climate Change because it has more land. Do you see it getting cooler?

Global temperature records have recently been updated to correct for discrepancies in data collection methods.

But even before these corrections, the apparent slowdown in rate of warming, the faux pause, was only for land temperature. More than 90% of the heating goes into the oceans, and their heating acceleration never slowed down.

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Look at the ten hottest years.

So far 2015 has been even hotter. This is Jan to April for this year compared to previous Jan to April periods.

Models predict "a steadily intensifying El Niño that gets quite strong by the fall." "If anything like these forecasts come true, then 2015 will be the blow-out hottest year on record."

2015 Is Crushing It For Hottest Year On Record

Comment by Loren Miller on June 8, 2015 at 8:02pm

Just stumbled onto a new effort by Ridley Scott, coming this Thanksgiving.  Frankly, I think it looks pretty intriguing:

Comment by Ian Mason on June 7, 2015 at 2:32pm

Very sharp and to the point, Carl.

Glad to hear that your husband is on the mend, Ruth.

I try to be a 'minimalist' in my everyday life. It seems obvious that most resources are limited and that humanity is having an impact on the world. My one weakness in the past few years has been travel but I think that, as I don't run a car, a few flights a year are allowed.


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