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The Ark Encounter: A Less than Grand Opening (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller 1 hour ago. 21 Replies

The day finally arrived.  Ken Ham's Ark Encounter opened on 7 July, 2016 ... to something a bit less than Disney-sized crowds, and more than a couple dissenting voices!  Seth Andrews has gathered a quartet of significant participants in the protest…Continue

Tags: Tracey Moody, Dan Broadbent, Seth Andrews, David Silverman, AronRa

Fan.tasia – A Disney Mashup by Lindsey McCutcheon

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud on Monday. 8 Replies

Any of you remember that Hollywood musical dance number mashup that Nerd Fest UK created put together some months back?  Well, someone by the name of Lindsey McCutcheon has…Continue

Tags: Lindsey McCutcheon, animation, Disney

The Gun Industry's Killing in Killing (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Jul 20. 15 Replies

America's Best Christian has finally acknowledged that there may be one outfit which has her belief system beat for it's leverage on the government.  No great surprise, it's the NRA and the gun industries.  Betty's a good loser, though.  She's made…Continue

Tags: NRA, guns, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

The God of Cancer (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 18. 10 Replies

Seth Andrews has been through the mill as it comes to dealing with those who insist that their faith in a deity is not just valid but necessary to their lives and to all lives.  Having dealt with that gauntlet and come out the other side an atheist,…Continue

Tags: cancer, god, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

We Are America / Love Has No Labels (John Cena - Ad Council)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 10. 3 Replies

It seems to be a repeating pattern: I wander around the internet and inevitably, I stumble onto all manner of stuff.  It happens all the time on YouTube, and as you doubtless have deduced, yours truly tripped over something a couple minutes ago,…Continue

Tags: patriotism, labels, love, Ad Council, John Cena

In God We Trust? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev Jul 4. 4 Replies

HEY, gang!  Your favorite America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers is BACK and just in time for the Fourth of July!!!  This time, she's hit it big, coming to us live and in color from the Capitol!  Seems as though she's as upset about this whole "In…Continue

Tags: congress, god, Jesus, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 29, 2013 at 10:12am

Chris, a wonderful travelogue, so full of images, and experiences. I agree with booklover, "You are very good at making one feel like they were there with you!"

Isn't a volcano fascinating. And add to it the history of its explosive past just makes it more enticing. Kind of like standing on the edge of Hell and not able to move my gaze away. In Hawaii, Goddess Pele used to demand virgin maidens to appease her, and thus not explode. There is mythology for you, always wanting virgin maidens, kind of like religions. 

Comment by Plinius on May 29, 2013 at 1:59am

Holiday stories for Joan, and for everyone who likes them.              Naples is so beautiful. Most buildings are painted in earth colours, red, yellow and green, and the strong sun bleaches everything into an endless variety of shades. Many people make their outside space on balconies or terraces into another livingroom, so every apartment block is a display of chairs, tables and sunshades, decorated with pots of agave and bougainville. All that greenery is astonishing to me, even though the Netherlands are fertile. In and around Naples you can see orange and lemon trees and cactus figs in the smallest spaces, and it all grows like weeds. The mix of wealth and poverty also jumped at me: when I stepped outside our good hotel there was a boy with deformed feet on the pavement and a row of probably illegal immigrants wanting to sell whatever they had - umbrellas, lighters, sunglasses fastened on a piece of cardboard. One time I saw a signal going through the row - carabinieri I guess - they picked up their cardboards and were gone in seconds.

A trip up the Vesuvius is also a wonderful thing to do, quite an adventure for a flatlander like me! At about sea level you take a bus and in a quarter of an hour you're driven higher and higher through some villages and through many hairpin bends - you feel your ears popping now and then. Now you enter the national park of the Vesuvius, and a smaller bus brings you still higher, through the woods on the slopes - more hairpin bends, popping ears and dazzling views! In another quarter of an hour you're at 1100 metres, close to the top. Now the crater is only a 20 minute walk up a path of black volcanic stuff. It's not too steep, but bring a sweater! There's often a cloud on top of the mountain, and you climb into the cloud... On the crater rim you find a small shack where two young men in thick coats sell drinks, souvenirs and postcards (discoloured and curled up by the mist). They ask where you come from, and then they know the footballteam: Rotterdam - Feijenoord! Luckily my husband knew their team - Juventus.

In Pompei I spent most of my time trying to see what isn't there anymore; the people, their belongings, and the way of living there - strange, but a beautiful experience. Many of their belongings in the archeological museum, where I made this picture - Hadrian (if is was him) seems much more awake than his unknown visitor....

Comment by Ian Mason on May 29, 2013 at 1:51am

Thanks, Joan. I work in a nursing home and am used to the worst sides of aging but it's still a shock when it happens to those close to you, especially the dementia that's descended on my mother. It's also been a shock that the British system is so slow in doing anything re. diagnosis and treatment. Step-mum is physically weakened after 12 weeks in bed but is begining to move a bit again, so may well recover some of her mobility.

If the site in Turkey is the one I've also seen a documentary on, the decline in living standards coincides with the beginning of organised religion and a rigid class structure. 9,000 years later and we're still trying to remove those problems.

Having re-read my earlier post: the nature of your weapon is unrelated to my good wishes :-D

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 11:18pm

Ian, I think it is especially difficult in this era to walk with family members facing the end of their lives. When I was a little girl, both my grandmothers provided care, Grandma Denoo was a registered nurse and delivered many of the babies in our village. Grandma whitehead was a midwife, and so between the two of them, Tekoa had their help. They both helped care for the elderly or taught families how to provide care. We didn't have nursing homes in those day, even though we did have the Poor Farm where farm workers went to die. It was a smelly place and I will never forget the stench.  

I wasn't until about the time I was in high school that people started taking relatives to nursing homes. In fact, my two grandmothers were the first in my family to go to a nursing home.

The elderly lived at home, family and friends offered dinners and helped care for them. So, ageing was very normal, common, and was a part of living. 

I understand this little, wee bit of history, doesn't make your situation any easier. I just want to invite you to relax into the process, knowing there is nothing you can do to change what happens to your loved ones. 

And also, this support group offers great comfort. We are so fortunate! 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 28, 2013 at 11:09pm

Great quote from the original Star Trek screenplay draft!

Love the "cat scan".

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 10:41pm

Ian, I read the same thing by an Egyptian archeologist who stated the bones, ligament connections and body shape was different in the hard laborers. 

It was like going to Catal Huyuk, a Neolithic village in Turkey that had 22 known layers built on top of each other. In the bottom layers, the oldest, the bodies showed no sign of hard physical labor, the bones were strong and no wounds to heads, shoulders and limbs. There were no weapons of conflict and no fortifications. They were well nourished. 

A few layers up, the people clearly were malnourished, revealed many deadly skeletal wounds and signs of ligaments and muscles pulled away from bones, indicating heavy weight bearing activity. There were many remnants of stone, then bronze axes and knives. Heavy and high walls were found at those layers. 

"Gimbutas believed that the expansions of the Kurgan culture were a series of essentially hostile, military incursions where a new warrior culture imposed itself on the peaceful, matriarchal cultures of "Old Europe", replacing it with a patriarchal warrior society,[17] a process visible in the appearance of fortified settlements and hillforts and the graves of warrior-chieftains:

"The process of Indo-Europeanization was a cultural, not a physical, transformation. It must be understood as a military victory in terms of successfully imposing a new administrative system, language, and religion upon the indigenous groups.[18] "

"In her later life, Gimbutas increasingly emphasized the violent nature of this transition from the Mediterranean cult of the Mother Goddess to a patriarchal society and the worship of the warlike Thunderer (ZeusDyaus), to a point of essentially formulating feminist archaeology. Many scholars who accept the general scenario of Indo-European migrations proposed, maintain that the transition was likely much more gradual and peaceful than suggested by Gimbutas. The migrations were certainly not a sudden, concerted military operation, but the expansion of disconnected tribes and cultures, spanning many generations. To what degree the indigenous cultures were peacefully amalgamated or violently displaced remains a matter of controversy among supporters of the Kurgan hypothesis."

Gimbutas maintained that the digs support her hypothesis and not those who challenged her. The old school archeologists dispute her peaceful matrilineal, matrilocal hypotheses, even as the grave goods, carvings, and pictographs support her.  

One additional thought, Gimbutas said the earlier matrilineal, matrilocal people were not matriarchal. Traditional archaeologists maintain the patriarchal replaced matriarchal cultures. She said those earlier cultures did not have a hierarchy of female over male, but rather men and women recognized the generative ability of women to bleed without dying, give birth and suckle. Grave goods reveal an equality of genders. Cave art and figurines played a part in her hypothesis.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 10:03pm

sk8eycat, I just love the photo of your aunt and kitty. That looks like a good idea to have such a soft treasure to touch. 

I loved: 

"My Dinner With Andre" "actor and playwright Wallace Shawn sits down with friend and theater director André Gregory at an Upper West Side restaurant, and the two proceed into an alternately whimsical and despairing confessional on love, death, money, and all the superstition in between."

"Mindwalk" "A physicist, poet and politician, (Liv Ullmann, Sam Waterston, Thomas Harriman)at crucial points in their own lives, discuss the world's many problems, attempting in the process to redefine the way the universe is perceived."

If you come across others like these, please let me know!

Steph, these words must be repeated: 

“If this is your god, he’s not very impressive. He’s got psychological problems. He’s so insecure; he demands worship every seven days. He creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He’s a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being.”

~ Spock, Star Trek: The Motion Picture. 

Loren, I like your Trailer to "The Unbelievers" and hope they come out with it on DVD soon, or download on internet. Dawkins and Krauss make a great pair. 

Mindy, how is your daughter doing with her classes? I wish I could give her a pep-talk about mastering these subjects. There is a trick to it, and it involves having a great teacher. In any event, I take small bites out of the problem, wee little steps and take the time, have a nice walk, visit with Mom.  Loren, I bet you have some ideas to help crack the codes of these classes. Who is the other math teacher here? Sorry, I forgot.

Comment by Ian Mason on May 28, 2013 at 9:36pm

Joan, that's a viscious looking weapon you've got there. Hope your body starts to right itself soon.

I'd heard the same about pyramid workers too but there was also something that came up recently on how many Egyptians PAID to become temple servants in order to "escape the draft" when pharoah needed labour on a big project. There weren't any health and safety laws in those days and, even though the workers were respected, well-paid and well-fed, their lives were notoriously short and could end painfully. Sounds a bit like oilrig workers or deep-sea fishermen in our time: super macho with a high mortality/ injury rate.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 9:18pm

Mindy, sorry about your retiring Gastro; have you met his replacement? 

We continue to have rain as well; it feels like living on the Seattle side of the state. Everything, weeds and all, grow like a jungle. I don't have my machete arms yet. 

Looking forward to seeing the colors your husband paints. 

Cat scan is great ... a keeper. I'll put it in my file. I have so many damned chemicals in my body, I feel like a Chinese herbal packer. I feel awful. The only things that get my mind off this old body is reading and writing on Atheist Nexus, and watching science videos. Thus, you good folks get to tag along with me on my little jaunts through time and space. 

My computer loads the videos for about a minute, stops, waits and then loads another minute. I talked to Com Cast today and guess I will live with it, or pay more for more whatever it is they call it. Right now, I am on the cheapest program I can get. Get what I pay for ...!!!!

Cary fixed me the most delicious scrambled eggs I have ever had! Oh yes, there are pleasures, still.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 6:15pm

Egypt: New Find Shows Slaves Didn't Build Pyramids

Egyptians, not Jews, built pyramids, in spite of what religious claim. The Egyptian builders were honored trades people, given honorable burial beside the pyramids and burial tombs of pharaohs. 

 

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