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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly yesterday. 15 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

Tags: bible, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo on Tuesday. 2 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

Tags: religion, TheraminTrees, punish, doubt

A moment to relax and see the Earth from space; some how this comforts me.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev on Sunday. 3 Replies

All the squabbles and struggles that I have do not compare with those of some others on this great planet. There are no boundary lines, no political arguments, no up or no down. What is, is. For right now, the scenes offer tranquility. Just the…Continue

Tags: and, wonder, awe, of, space

His Dark Materials and the Catholic Church

Started by Tonya R. Wheeler. Last reply by Plinius on Sunday. 27 Replies

I recently watched the movie, "The Golden Compass" and since I could not find the sequels, I read the books. I enjoyed them, and I will be reading the first one, Northern Lights, starting tomorrow, since it just arrived via inter-library…Continue

Tags: Fantasy, Catholic, Religion, Atheist, Pullman

Issues Atheist, Feminist, GLBTQ, Climate Change

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Oct 6. 2 Replies

This is a test Continue

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 29. 39 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 1:24pm

Ruth, thank you so much for the information on Vitamin D. I do take a daily 1,000 IU and will include the dosage question with my cancer dietitian today. 

I recognize a lot of skepticism exists about scientific research, even as skeptics exist about whole and natural remedies and foods. Somewhere in there is true information. Sorting it all out presents a challenge. If there are research reports, based on double-blind studies by people who don't have an investment in the outcome, it is relatively easy to find truth in the fog. 

Monsanto is not a researcher worthy of reading, nor are the tobacco companies, or the pharmaceutical or the energy industry. I like to know where the conflicts exist and then go on the hunt. 

Thanks for the heads up. 

Cancer patients with high vitamin D levels live longer

"The patients were allocated to four groups, based on their vitamin D levels, ranging from high, medium-high, medium-low and low. When the researchers compared them, they found that the risk of dying from cancer was the highest for patients in the low-level group."

I'm upping my dosage unless given evidence that I should not. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 12:56pm

Part 2 
The problem with religion, it sends unhealthy life skills messages. You know the drill, "yield, submit, obey, seek out authority figures, there is one and only one way to think and be, live a role defined by gender, think in patriarchal terms of a hierarchy "god, man-male, female, children, and all creation is created for man to dominate. These massages are about as dysfunctional as I can even imagine. If you want to be healthy, refuse to listen to this nonsense. They are rubbish.

If you want to flourish, easy:
1. Recognize that you, an individual, exist through natural processes and you thrive best when you understand that. 
2. Know that you have work that must be done to sustain yourself. Even a robin has to get up in the morning and go looking for worms and has to supply worms to her babies. You are no different, you are responsible for you and you are part of the Net Of Life. 
3. Understand you are a social being; we need each other and flourish most beautifully when we have the support of our family and community. 
4. Count on your brain/mind to be your guide for moral and ethical development as well as learning the skills necessary to thrive in your environment. You do not have a guru who will rescue you or a prince charming coming over the hill, or a savior who will protect you or answer your prayers, or a boss who is healthy. In order to be healthy, you have to think for yourself, consult others who have your interests at heart, compare and contrast different options and make decisions about how to solve your particular problem. 
5. With a combination of thinking and acting you can create your own power, find your way through life and thrive. By combining awareness and respect for yourself, in a community with others, "I" becomes "we", and power multiplies. In fact, it multiplies exponentially. 

So, dear sweet heart, know the facts, know you live in an unusually healthy and functional family, challenge your boss with what is real, tell him how you feel when he speaks so disrespectfully to you, and tell him he needs to grow up. He is a man who has not developed beyond childish thinking. Organize your co-workers to confront him. Not only will you flourish, your co-workers will, and if the foolish man has any sense, he will know you tell the truth. He would benefit greatly by Landmark training. It is not magic or a cult. It is a place to learn life skills. That is all it is, all it ever was, and all it will ever be.

I love you dearly. Know you have a "Cloud of Witnesses" standing with you as you take on life's challenges.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 12:55pm

My granddaughter faces a difficult choice for her, a dysfunctional boss, unhealthy work environment and some who would stop her from developing her own power. Her mother and father, and family members all stand with her in support of her flourishing and  of the decisions she makes and I sent her this little message:

Now, as to "fierce", by some processes of nature, we are born, live and die. There are several ways to manage that life.
1. Seek out authority figures and follow them, including gurus. 
2. Seek out information from many sources, think about which have the highest probability of success in developing a functional life style. 
3. Pay attention to one's body and listen for messages, take action to bring about positive change. 
4. Use drugs, legal or illegal, to ease pain. 
5. Turn to religion to ease pain. 
6. Develop life skills and use them as tools. 
7. Attend and follow Landmark skills building classes. They are simply tools for living and flourishing. 
8. Whine. Beg. Plead. Give in. 



So, we observe there are many ways, healthy and unhealthy, to try to be successful and to ease the pain of living. 
Some work against health, some promote flourishing. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 30, 2013 at 11:47am

Joan, I woke up this morning from a dream about the benefits of vitamin D. Then I realized I'd never discussed it with you. I take 5,000 IU of vitamin D daily as a preventive, but it's also helpful for cancer recovery. I first learned about it from a physician friend who sent me a link to a professional symposium talk by Cedric F. Garland. Our cells are normally connected by tight junctions, through which cytoplasm actually flows from one cell to the next. Low vitamin D reduces the number of tight junctions, and when they're cut off every cell begins to function as a competitive individual instead of a good citizen. If a pro-growth mutation happens the isolated cell gets out of control. High dose vitamin D restores the number of tight junctions, so even mutated cells can calm down and begin to act like good citizens again. Here's the hype version.

Thanks for the info about Gene Roddenberry, sk8eycat. Now I admire him even more.

Cute cats, Steph.

Comment by Steph S. on May 30, 2013 at 9:40am

Joan I am glad that you are doing well and staying strong.

Ruth I love those Star Trek cats.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 2:32am

Mindy, that is very special photo of you and your daughter! A great family. 

I haven't written you yet about how much I like your plan for the tutor to get through math. Thank should clear up a lot of things for her. Lots of good luck. 

Comment by sk8eycat on May 30, 2013 at 2:08am

Steph, I sent that Spock photo and quote to a friend who got to know Gene Roddenberry quite well, and this is her reply (LOL):


This is why Gene Roddenberry was considered a "loose cannon" by NBC and Desilu, later by Paramount! He kept putting these comments into his scripts in hopes that some of them would get by the censors (oh, pardon me: Quality Control). -- Bjo
My reply to Bjo, was:
I thought the NBC censors' dept. was called Broadcast Standards.  aka B.S.
I did tell you that I knew the guy who played "Ensign Hadley" (and the White Rabbit in "Shore Leave," and a lot of other extra roles in TOS) when I was in Holiday, didn't I?
He's on the far left in this HOI photo:

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 1:19am

My wonderful surgical and chemical oncologests looked me over today and I described the different feeling I have, not to complain, but to describe. One option is to change the chem formula and I said only if it doesn't reduce the probability of getting all the cancer cells. 
Had another dose of chemo today and feel good. Have some new strategies for handling the leaking problems. Laura and Laurie joined me for the procedure. Very nice company. 

Have an appointment tomorrow with the dietitian to work on problems. Did I tell you, fresh garlic eased my stomach cramping.  It turns out my harsh back pains were caused by the chemo to supplement my bone marrow. Knowing those pains caused by strengthening bone marrow, I can tolerate it. Here is where deep meditations and breathing come in handy. I surely don't want any more Rx's than I have to take. That pain will be kind of like having pains to have a baby, it is forgotten soon after birth, and/or healing of my immune system. 

I'm pooped, enjoyed reading your comments on a wide variety of topics. See you tomorrow. 

Comment by sk8eycat on May 29, 2013 at 10:57am

Joan, forgive me, but your "Loess on the Palouse" made me think of this (by Stewart Moskowitz)

I have a print of this somewhere...

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 29, 2013 at 10:17am

We are a strong family because we all have skills that can be easily learned with disciplined, effective, and efficient thinking and acting. Some people think we have magic. Magic has absolutely nothing to do with the qualities of our family lives. 
t is hard work to learn how to be a mentally healthy, mature adult. It is an easy lifestyle with which to live. 
We are a happy group, devoted to each other and dedicated to the principles that each member is empowered to be who he/she is, without wearing masks, without denying each other's weaknesses and strengths, without expecting to be obedient and submissive to anyone else's rules and regulations, 
The Skill Set includes developing abilities such as recognizing a problem when it appears, setting some vision of what each one wants and needs for a solution, listening and speaking honestly with each other without the intent to submit to some role. 
To participate in creating a strong family, Each member of the family has to be able to express him/herself even as he/she can observes the needs and desires of others. It is not an obedient robot we try to raise to fit in society. It is to be a participating member of a family, community and Earth willing to learn. 

Notions of obedience, submission, domination, all are killer values that distort and bind the mind of its participants. 

Our key words are awareness, sustained positive effort, community, and critical thinking.

Another way to say it is being, doing, belonging, thinking.


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