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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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11 "unanswerable" questions for atheists - answered (Aron Ra)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 6. 1 Reply

If you spend any time around YouTube and have any history of looking at atheist material (or even theist material!), you will inevitably run into: "XX Questions Atheists Can't Answer."  These are occasionally followed by: "XX Questions Atheists…Continue

Tags: apologist, answer, questions, unanswerable, Aron Ra

worshipping narcissists (qualiasoup & theramintrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3. 1 Reply

They're all around us: people who perceive the world as revolving around them and will go to considerable lengths to make it so: narcissists.  Such beings have been with humanity, I suspect, since humanity emerged from the gene pool.  Even worse,…Continue

Tags: narcissist, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat May 2. 42 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

Tags: singing, lyrics, reclaimed, reclaiming, HumanLight

appropriating morality (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo May 1. 7 Replies

We've all heard the claim: "Human morality comes from god."  And we've all seen for ourselves what Yahweh's "morality" looks like, from condemnations of homosexuality and the treatment of women as chattel to inexplicable sanctions against the eating…Continue

Tags: morality, appropriating, TheraminTrees

Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 19. 0 Replies

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty…Continue

Tags: Bible Belt, atheist, Jerry DeWitt

How would you respond?

Started by Christina Scribner. Last reply by Christina Scribner Apr 10. 5 Replies

So, this morning, I was at my local coffee shop as I am most weekdays between bus runs. I do the editing on my husband's books so I had my laptop with me. My wallpaper is a picture I found online sometime back of a double helix with the word atheist…Continue

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Comment by Ian Mason on June 19, 2014 at 3:08pm

Nice Huxley quote. Thanks. Stealing

Comment by Randall Smith on June 19, 2014 at 7:35am

Thanks, Loren, for ruining my day with Satan's (ex VP) photo!  Actually, nothing can ruin my godless day. It's great to be alive. 

Comment by Plinius on June 19, 2014 at 12:57am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmQujwmalfA

My favorite Sisyphus - Pink Floyd.  A good image for the daily struggle, Ian, and my hat off to you.

Tardis was possible too, Mindy; it's Dr. Who's telephone booth for space-time travel. 

I had my ears pierced, just because it was forbidden where I came from. I often wear silver jewelry with inexpensive green stones, but no longer in my ears, because of allergy.

Comment by Ian Mason on June 18, 2014 at 11:33pm

Joan, I like Sisyphus because of the daily labour he represents for me and the strength to keep going with a task no matter how hopeless it seems and with no end in sight. That's what depression is like at its worst. And as you say, success is not the issue. The self-respect that comes from not giving up is. 

Comment by Loren Miller on June 18, 2014 at 8:37pm

Hey!  Betty Bowers did a QUICKIE!  No, not THAT kind of quickie!  A short video featuring the devil ... and some guy in red:

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 18, 2014 at 5:47pm

Ian, I like your symbolism of your memory being carried on through your child. The ankh and daughter's name provides such a good representation of that sentiment. 

Not everyone has children to carry on his or her memories, and even those of us who have children have no guarantee our children know us, especially if one has a history of helplessness or alcoholism.

The legacy one leaves behind is how one thinks and acts in the face of challenges. Were there hurdles one has to overcome? Was one successful in meeting obstructions, or at least making a great effort toward mastering them? 

Some people have no challenges to overcome; others have overwhelming obstacles. When I observe an individual who does not know how to solve problems or resolve conflicts, or who has an addiction that gets in the way of healthy living, and when I observe that person making efforts to overcome whatever is holding him or her back, I feel great sympathy and at the same time, great respect.

The test is not, does one have no problems confronting him or her, but does one take on the obstacle with critical thought and effective action?

Success is not the issue ... to take on the challenge with mind, body and emotion is where fine character lies. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 18, 2014 at 5:27pm

Ian, it is interesting you chose Sisyphus for the other side to represent daily labor against alcoholism and depression. 

Sisyphus did not win victory over his history, but paid the ultimate price of failing throughout all eternity. 

May I offer a Greek god, Zeus, who was victorious over his father who tried to destroy him. He became king of the gods and lived with his brothers and sisters on Mt Olympus. They did battle with Titans with strength restored by nectar “that which overcomes death” and ambrosia upon which the Olympians feasted perpetually. Zeus’ weapon was a thunderbolt and he was victorious over his adversaries. He became known as the dragon slayer, known to punish those that lie and break oaths. 

Zeus becomes a metaphor of one who overcomes adversaries, using his weapon, a thunderbolt to take on his demons.

Comment by Ian Mason on June 18, 2014 at 4:32pm

I've only got one tattoo, an ankh and my daughter's name, on my left (heart side) arm. For me, it represents living on through children, the only "immortality" we can have. I will have grandchildren's names added if and when they turn up. I'm also considering getting one of Sisyphus on the other side to represent my daily labour against alcoholism and depression. I'm quite happy about having them as they mean something to me, they're not some kind of decoration that I'll regret in the future.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w90iTGBm2o

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 18, 2014 at 3:53pm

And I'm with Carl when it comes to tattoos. I've admired beautiful ones on other people, but for myself I'll pass -- too painful and too permanent.

(Hey... why don't more of the fundamentalist Christian god-botherers denounce tattoos? It violates the very same book of Leviticus they love to quote in other contexts.)

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 18, 2014 at 3:49pm

The year was 1959, Time magazine came out with an article about the African witch doctors that used eyes of newt, tails of lizard, bones of ancestors and slime from the brackish waters and danced around the person infected with some deadly diseases. 

Modern medicine came to the African countries to try to eradicate those awful diseases, and no one would come to them.

So, the western medicine people and the African elders got together and devised a scheme whereby the African medicine man would cast his magic spells over the suffering person and the western medicine man would do a differential  diagnosis, develop a treatment plan and administer modern medicine or techniques. The person who suffered got better, the African dignity was maintained and the modern methods did their job. Over time, the medicine man cast his approval on western medicine and he could bow out. It took years and it worked. 

My husband was in dental school at the U of WA and I wrote many of his papers for him. I had first hand knowledge of modern methods of diagnosis, treatment and prevention. I looked at the photos of African medicine man and women, their tattoos, their body piercings, and their magic and just decided I would not insult my body with tattoos or body piercings, nor would I accept, without skepticism, any medical technique.  

 

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