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The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly on Thursday. 15 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

Tags: bible, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo on Tuesday. 2 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

Tags: religion, TheraminTrees, punish, doubt

A moment to relax and see the Earth from space; some how this comforts me.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev Oct 16. 3 Replies

All the squabbles and struggles that I have do not compare with those of some others on this great planet. There are no boundary lines, no political arguments, no up or no down. What is, is. For right now, the scenes offer tranquility. Just the…Continue

Tags: and, wonder, awe, of, space

His Dark Materials and the Catholic Church

Started by Tonya R. Wheeler. Last reply by Plinius Oct 16. 27 Replies

I recently watched the movie, "The Golden Compass" and since I could not find the sequels, I read the books. I enjoyed them, and I will be reading the first one, Northern Lights, starting tomorrow, since it just arrived via inter-library…Continue

Tags: Fantasy, Catholic, Religion, Atheist, Pullman

Issues Atheist, Feminist, GLBTQ, Climate Change

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Oct 6. 2 Replies

This is a test Continue

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 29. 39 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

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Comment by sk8eycat on April 28, 2013 at 11:09pm

Brandi/Debra, you make a very good point; anything that keeps lgbt kids from being bullied by their own families, churches, classmates, and their own inner thoughts to the point of suicide is a good thing.

I didn't think much about variations of sexuality till I joined a large  ice show in 1957. I was fresh out of high school, and ignorant.  Most of the chorus guys, and a few of the principal skaters were gay, and I had a flash of insight that my skating teacher back home was also gay. My first thought was something on the order of, "So what? They're just people...some very talented, smart, fun, and some MUCH more likeable than many of my boyfriends."  I'm still in touch with the ones who are still alive, and I treasure their friendship.

One couple (NOT from the ice show...I met them when I worked for a local PBS station years later) has been together for more than 40 years, and early on in their relationship one of the partners was still under the influence of his strict religious upbringing...feeling much guilt, etc.  So they went church shopping, including the Metropolitan Church.  That was in its very early days, and my friends weren't impressed.  I think they are still searching, but they have found more sense of "community" in the smallish town in central Arizona where they've retired.  It's very conservative, but nobody seems to give a rat's patoot about who lives with who.

Turns out that ALL my other gay friends are atheists, and very happy about it.'s really the only thing that makes sense.

I was a church-going Bapnit till my middle 20s, but I was uncomfortable with many aspects. I stoped going to services when I first went on the road at 17, but I kept searching for something. I thought there was something wrong with me because my friends who were believers just accepted everything as fact.  I couldn't.  So I finally read the entire buybull from beginning to end to see if I had been missing or misunderstanding something; I was aware that our Sunday school lessons and buybull study classes were cherry-picked.  And guess what!  By the time I finished reading, and thinking about what I had read, I realized the whole thing was preposterous.  Folk tales, myths, and contradictory nonsense.  Fiction all the way through.  What a relief! (I had tried reading the Book of Mormon, too, but I had a much more difficult time wading through that one.)

I guess my point is that really reading the whole buybull, with an open mind, will make an atheist  out of just about anybody with an IQ higher than their body temperature.

And that's why Felaine doesn't buy that bull anymore.


Comment by tom sarbeck on April 28, 2013 at 10:02pm

Brandi, booklover and others,

"...about her atheist friend with the bisexual daughter...."

Those of us who are straight or gay might forget, bisexual folk are twice as likely as any of us to find someone to take home.

Comment by tom sarbeck on April 28, 2013 at 9:54pm


"It is so funny the way our pets let us know it is not OK to leave them...."

How they welcome us back is also funny, and sometimes wet.

On my way to work one day I left our (he was my wife's too) German shepherd pup at the vet. That afternoon he welcomed me by leaping from the vet's arms onto me and peeing.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 28, 2013 at 9:22pm

Felaine, I have a gay friend I've known for over thirty years who is an ordained minister for the Metropolitan Community Church.  Like most other religious people I'm sure he must cherry-pick the good from the bad parts from the bible.  It doesn't matter if a person is gay or straight, they all must utilize the same type of mental gymnastics to avoid excessive cognitive dissonance. 

Religious behavior is hard to change.  Years ago there weren't any churches that were openly welcoming to gays, so they said, "F.U." and started their own.  I really can't blame them.  I'm gay and grew up in a very liberal, progressive, gay friendly church.  There weren't any horrible fire and brimstone sermons condemning who I was.  The issue of homosexuality isn't what drove me away from religion.  It was just stepping back, looking hard, and realizing that EVERYTHING was a huge load of dung. 

If church attendance is declining overall, I'm sure it is for the gay Metropolitan Community Church as well. 

Comment by Megan S. M. on April 28, 2013 at 9:18pm

Haha Steph I love the coffee cat :) so cute

Comment by sk8eycat on April 28, 2013 at 8:28pm

Debra, I don't understand why any lgbt people still believe that book of myths that says there's a creator who made them, but hates them.  Not only do they attend services, they want to be priests, pastors, ministers in the very churches whose book of rules says they must be stoned to death.

They even founded their own church in 1968, and it's definitely xian protestant:

The anonymous authors of the novel called the New Testament did have the Jesus character saying that he came to uphold ALL the old laws which did include the death penalty for same sex sex. (There is no historical evidence for the events or persons in the gospels...except for the names of kings and other high officials.  Not even any evidence that "Paul" wrote Acts or any of the epistles.)

Comment by Steph S. on April 28, 2013 at 8:11pm

Comment by sk8eycat on April 28, 2013 at 7:05pm

Steph, I love the photo & caption.

I used to get that behavior when I would go cat-or-dog-sitting.  Especially from Mr. T. Devil; he would greet me at the door and then totally ignore me for 2 or 3 days.  That was when both my parents wre still alive and well but aging rapidly, and my sister is always here, so he was never left totally alone.  He was Dad's buddy, anyway; they used to sit in the recliner together and watch the news.  (Dad was a news junkie.)
I don't know why, but I mentioned it in a letter to Ginny Heinlein (Felaine! Name-dropping!  BAAAAD!) when we were exchanging examples of cat behavior, and she said he probably smelled the other animals on me, my clothes, my luggage.  So I tried washing everything and taking a shower as soon as I could after I got home.  Helped a little.  (At least The Devil never learned how to mark things the way intact tomcats do. *whew!*)
Melinda, I have dumped "friends" who annoyed me far less than Ms. "Tolerant/Intolerant" annoys you.  Her remarks about Catholocism sound like a much more complex (and boring) version of "Some of my best friends are (Jewish, black, Latino, gay, etc.)"   And you know damn well the only "friend" in one of those categories is maybe the woman who cleans her house once a week, or the guy who parks her car...  Do you ever wonder if Ms. Tolerance tells other people that "One of my best friends is an atheist"? 
I learned a long time ago that one way to find out who your real friends are is to tell them you're an atheist.  I once announced it to an entire office because everything (it seemed) in the garment district where we worked was closed on Good Friday/Passover. I saw one dropped jaw, and heard the 3 young men in my dept. laughing their butts off.  I loved them for that.
About my friend who gets annoyed whenever I say something about the incestuous relationship between our government and radical xians...maybe she finds that subject boring??????????  Or maybe she finds ME boring?  OMNerves!  I hope not!  She really is a good friend in all other ways.
Comment by Lillie on April 28, 2013 at 2:34pm

It is so funny the way our pets let us know it is not OK to leave them.  They may not speak our language but they can certainly let us know how they are feeling by their actions.  We are going on a short trip next week and I know we will get the temporary cold shoulder when we return.  Of course, a neighbor will keep them fed with a friendly pat on the head but apparently that is not the same.

Comment by Steph S. on April 28, 2013 at 2:06pm


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