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Guns: Both Sides Now (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat yesterday. 2 Replies

Oh, NO!  The gun debate has gotten so heated that it has Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, TALKING TO HERSELF!  Apparently, one of her has had a stroke or a serious breakdown in cognitive skills, as she does little more than parrot the NRA's…Continue

Tags: NRA, guns, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

the value of offence | qualiasoup & theramintrees

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Patricia Mar 3. 3 Replies

To me, this is a big deal (though it may not be to them): two great YouTube video producers have joined forces to deliver one very powerful message on an important subject.  TheraminTrees and QualiaSoup (brothers, I believe) have recently released a…Continue

Tags: offence, offense, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

The myth of religions

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 16. 3 Replies

The creation myth of civilizations instructs men to dominate, to conquer, to go forth and multiply. No reasonable person would pay attention to such a god. No hunter-gatherer receives such a senseless message from wise elders.However, that idea…Continue

Tags: masculine, violation, imperative, go forth and multiply,, conquest

Winter Driving, Preparing for the worst

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 1. 2 Replies

Now that we enter the time the Celtics called Imbolc, a pagan celebration of the beginning of spring and season of new life, I ran across this video on preparing for winter driving. It offers reasons for each thing he puts in his vehicles to be safe…Continue

Tags: prepare, driving, winter

A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Chris Dec 26, 2017. 10 Replies

I received a gift this morning from a virtual friend, Pamela Smith:A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :" One day an old wise teacher was walking through a village. A very angry and rude young man came up and began insulting him. "You have…Continue

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Comment by Plinius on October 31, 2017 at 1:30pm

That's a lot better and only in a few days! Glad to hear it, Patricia!

Comment by Patricia on October 31, 2017 at 12:51pm

Thank you. Very glad  to be out & to do as told for the next 3 months.  I have some daily physio to do, but have to call a physio therapist when we get home. Pain is bad, but I know it will eventually settle down. On pain meds, blood thinners for a month, & 2 bp meds to finally get the pressure under some control. I have to watch for infection so have to take temp several times a day.

We moved out of the original motel to one with kitchen so we can eat our own type of cooking to watch salt, fat, all tastes better too. Restaurant food gets boring after a couple of days of it.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on October 31, 2017 at 12:43pm

Yes, a speedy recovery for you Patricia.  Glad the surgery part of all this is over.  

Comment by Grinning Cat on October 31, 2017 at 12:05pm

Hear, hear! Here's to you moving around better and more comfortably than ever!

(During your recovery, do what you have to do...)

(image source; cropped and adjusted)

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 31, 2017 at 1:42am

Patricia, glad you are out of the hospital. Have a fast and complete recovery soon. 

Comment by Patricia on October 30, 2017 at 8:10pm

Out of hospital, back in motel for the next week. Groggy.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 30, 2017 at 9:32am

Plinius, thanks for the update on Patricia.

Comment by Plinius on October 30, 2017 at 12:43am

update on Patricia, from het son: I went tout see her after work on Saturday and she was looking a lot more like herself. She also had her first physio session on the doctor said she did very well they also are looking to try stairs in the next few days which is fantastic.

Comment by Chris on October 28, 2017 at 11:34pm

For those who may be interesed in Bonsai trees the following link provides information for annealing copper wire

Annealing the copper eliminates the dislocations so that the copper is once again composed of nice perfect crystals. This allows the copper wire to be reused since it is now soft and easily bent. Generally annealing is done at greater than 1/2 of the melting point on the absolute temperature scale. Copper melts at 1083C = 1356K so the annealing is done at greater than 678K = 405C = 761F. However, it will take a fairly long time at the lower end of the range so it is more common to anneal at about 700 to 800C. The copper can be worked and annealled many, many times for the purposes of bonsai since we really don't need extremely tightly controlled properties. The properties will degrade with repeated cycles for various reasons - oxidation being the most obvious.

The copper will maintain it's soft crystal structure after annealing at any realistic cooling rate (from very slow like letting fire die down to fast like throwing it in a bucket of water). Generally, I would suggest water cooling to prevent excessive oxidation of the surface. Steel (iron + carbon) on the other hand will change it's properties dramatically upon rapid cooling . However, it is possible to cool copper fast enough to make it into a brittle material. This normally involves cooling rates of greater than 10 million degrees C per second which can only be obtained by spraying a very thin film on to a very cold surface (this equipment is very expensive).

For bonsai wire it is generally not necessary to take strong measures to prevent oxidation unlike jewelry or electronics where a precise part is being made. So go ahead and heat it with whatever safe form of heat you have to a dull red glow. The woodstove, the barbecue, a torch, or the gas stove will work just fine. Just remember that the copper will be hot enough to ignite most flammable objects if you set it down on them and it will give you a nasty burn if you are not careful. In addition, copper is an excellent heat conductor so heating one end of the wire to red hot will quickly result in the other end getting hot too.

A local Bonsai club usually  has a member that can provide soft bendable copper.

Suiseki is interesting as well.

Comment by Chris on October 28, 2017 at 9:48pm

Interesting link 

In the early 1990's there was a  real grass roots movement to make internet and email a public service. Many communities wanted to include internet and email a service such as a public library. The gory details of how that effort failed in Congress is disgusting.

I think email should be treated the same as privite postal mail.  As some may know email is digitally scanned for data analysis as  Shoshana Zuboff covers.  Cell phones are being used the same way.   Hearing that postal mail will be used as a database for marketing indicates that private communications is  becomining more limited.

In 1984 there was an article on the front page of the rag U.S.A. Today. [Sorry I don't remember the issue or date of the publication. I attempted to find it without sucess.]  Anyway the article had a survey that said that most people wouldn't mind if  their house was surveiled.    Apparently that survey holds true as most people don't seem to care if there every action is collected for marketing purposes - let alone government survalience. 

Capititalists are crafty at taking your money.  The government can incarcerate you.

How much are people ignorant of this? Do they care, or is getting a new automobile and  keeping up with consumerism more important?

After the USSR fell unfettered capitalism took over. Did the USSR and Soviet Comunism keep unbridaled capitalism in rein? Capitalism has free reign. Unfortunately that should be apparent with the current President of the U.S..

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Wednesday

Patricia, we're long past Big Brother is watching. Shoshana Zuboff describes a wholly new economic model, which she calls surveillance capitalism, which is hard to grasp, designed to be invisible and undetectable. My paraphrase:

In surveillance capitalism, the stuff of our lives doesn't matter, it's data exhaust. We are simply the source, to be harvested for behavioral data. In this new wholly new economic model people don't count, as it doesn't require population as either customers or employees. What began as something to empower us became a coup, a revolution from above that's invisible. It's remaking us through operant conditioning to which people must submit if they want to participate.

Basically we are "harvested" for data both online and in the real world, and "turned into revenue streams for Google, for its advertisers, and for others who are bidding on opportunities to modify our behavior to serve their financial interest."  "The surveillance capitalists ... have all the privacy and we are left with no privacy. They use that privacy to carry on this business without our being able to inspect it or control it."


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