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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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11 "unanswerable" questions for atheists - answered (Aron Ra)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 6. 1 Reply

If you spend any time around YouTube and have any history of looking at atheist material (or even theist material!), you will inevitably run into: "XX Questions Atheists Can't Answer."  These are occasionally followed by: "XX Questions Atheists…Continue

Tags: apologist, answer, questions, unanswerable, Aron Ra

worshipping narcissists (qualiasoup & theramintrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3. 1 Reply

They're all around us: people who perceive the world as revolving around them and will go to considerable lengths to make it so: narcissists.  Such beings have been with humanity, I suspect, since humanity emerged from the gene pool.  Even worse,…Continue

Tags: narcissist, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat May 2. 42 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

Tags: singing, lyrics, reclaimed, reclaiming, HumanLight

appropriating morality (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo May 1. 7 Replies

We've all heard the claim: "Human morality comes from god."  And we've all seen for ourselves what Yahweh's "morality" looks like, from condemnations of homosexuality and the treatment of women as chattel to inexplicable sanctions against the eating…Continue

Tags: morality, appropriating, TheraminTrees

Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 19. 0 Replies

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty…Continue

Tags: Bible Belt, atheist, Jerry DeWitt

How would you respond?

Started by Christina Scribner. Last reply by Christina Scribner Apr 10. 5 Replies

So, this morning, I was at my local coffee shop as I am most weekdays between bus runs. I do the editing on my husband's books so I had my laptop with me. My wallpaper is a picture I found online sometime back of a double helix with the word atheist…Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 21, 2017 at 11:47pm

Chris, you are talking about the old "nature vs. nurture" dispute. 

"Do inherited traits or life experiences play a greater role in shaping your personality? The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest issues in psychology. The debate centers on the relative contributions of genetic inheritance and environmental factors to human development."

What Is Nature vs. Nurture?

About "Ancestry," it is owned and managed by the Mormon church because of their belief that they have to find their ancestors to bring them into the Mormon fold. 

The Mormon Church Is Building a Family Tree of the Entire Human Race.

I went to the Family Library in Salt Lake City to work on my family history, hoping to find presidents, kings, great leaders and found ordinary people plus a bank robber, a horse thief, and a murderer. I stayed in a lovely facility, ate at a nourishing cafeteria, and had outstanding help when I ran into difficulties in my search. I visited with two women from Kenya dressed in their beautiful attire; they shared their experiences as Kenyan women and their conversion to Mormonism.

The beautiful facilities and the peaceful walk from building to building evoked feelings of calm in me.

I discovered the Mormon church sanctified my grandfather Denoo!  WHAT! He would be outraged if he knew!

Well, anyway, the church makes a big deal on family history, and I know of no other place equal to their database.


Comment by Patricia on November 21, 2017 at 11:03pm

Yes, Joan, Femara affected my fibromyalgia in a big way, & nearly destroyed my ability to sleep, which still affects me to this day. That's why I am sleep deprived & began sleep music on sleep phones to wear in bed.  Napping is not just doesn't happen. The sleep music increased my 1 to 3 hour nights, to 3 to 5 hours, & that's a good thing.

Comment by Chris on November 21, 2017 at 11:03pm

Those who suffer with ongoing medical problems may not have PTSD, but have (ongoing) Stress Disorder.  Is there a medical term for that?  I asked my doctor to check my cortisol during an annual blood test.  The doctor looked at me as though I was goofy.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 21, 2017 at 10:58pm

Patricia, you wrote, "When I had my cancer, my emotions shut down during the whole time." Some call that depression or flat affect. 

Did you have any side effects from Femara? 

I remember that you were one of the first to encourage me when I revealed I had cancer. Your words helped me a great deal. Thanks, dear friend!

Comment by Patricia on November 21, 2017 at 10:40pm

When I had my cancer, my emotions shut down during the whole time, so I didn't feel much of anything other than doing as told & getting through treatments. After it was done & I began the 5 years of Femara, I began to make jokes about it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 21, 2017 at 10:33pm

Cancer Survivors Can Develop PTSD, Too

"Counseling and support are key. For example, the study found that breast cancer patients were 3.7 times less likely to have PTSD six months after diagnosis than patients with other types of cancers. This may be because the breast cancer patients received support and counseling in the first year after cancer diagnosis."

At the very first of my treatments, I realized I was in a depression and sinking fast; I called Cancer Care Northwest; they made an appointment for me with their counselor who had years of experience with cancer patients and a great deal of training. Within the first hour, I felt the depression lifting, and I had no more problems; until Cary died. I used the techniques I learned when I was first treated for cancer and they worked for me again.

While in treatment I met a man known as "Doc" He suffered from cancer and treatments but carried himself with dignity. He was cheerful, full of ideas for projects upon which he planned to work. He was a retired college professor, had written a book, a historical story of early Idaho. His enthusiasm infected me. 

He died a year and a half ago, and I remember his wisdom, courage, stamina, and friendship fondly.  He was part of my support system. I had support from my family, the medical team at Cancer Care, my women's group, and my neighbors. I called them My Team.  

Comment by Chris on November 21, 2017 at 10:28pm

A friend took one of the advertized DNA tests. He told me the DNA test was a hook to subscribe to an Ancestory web site.

My pea brain understands that DNA is less important than culture, and/or family history.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 20, 2017 at 10:59pm

Randy, I know that the stress level goes up for people who read my economic and political material and I can quickly post on my site. If you want to learn those comments, it is easy to join me. 

I have lots of things to talk about that is lighter and not so grim. I try to keep my life balanced, and I find relief with the simpler things of life. 

For example, I look out my window and see two huge piles of poo that the neighbor's horse left when he got loose and came over to eat our grass. There are eight, all told, and I picked up two and put them in the compost. Now, there are only six piles to fetch. Tomorrow!

Almost all our snow is gone, except for the piles that formed from plowing our road and blowing our walks. That snow turned into chunks of ice when the thaw came. 

Comment by Ian Mason on November 20, 2017 at 10:41pm

A friend of mine had both eyes operated on, two weeks apart, in the Summer. She said that the biggest problem was resisting the urge to rub her eyes afterwards as there's some itching while the healing is going on. Otherwise, no problems and greatly improved vision.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 20, 2017 at 5:36pm

I was an assistant for an ophthalmologist for two years in Spokane Eye Clinic. There were four doctors; my doctor specialized in glaucoma. Another one concentrated on cataracts. Both of these doctors were involved with cutting into the eyeball. 

During those two years, we did not have any problems with patients with cataract removal, and I heard of no issues from the other doctor and assistant. With sterile techniques and proper post-operative care, there should be no problems. The eyeball has no sensory nerves so there is no feeling of pain from the orb. Just be certain to follow instructions for your post-op care. 


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