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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller 23 hours ago. 39 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Sep 6. 0 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

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We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 2. 17 Replies

I suppose I've heard stories like this before:Conscientious atheist donates money to worthy cause.Worthy cause initially accepts money.Worthy cause discovers source of donation.Worthy cause rejects donation.Swell, eh?  Well Matt Willbourne of…Continue

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The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly Sep 2. 3 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

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Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 29. 22 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

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Comment by sk8eycat on March 22, 2013 at 1:43am

Joan, I'm not stupid, either, but I'm not exactly highly educated, and I have never *grokked* the meme concept, either. I have read The God Delusion three times, and reread certain sections more times than that, and I still don't understand a lot of what Dawkins is trying to say.

I have had a long-standing problem with a lot of writers in the field...they use another language that I call Academish, and I don't understand it.

That's why I was so delighted when I first found Judith Hayes (The Happy Heretic) online about 12 years ago.  She "spoke" my language, and clearly explained many of the contradictions and nonsense in religions, particularly xianity.  We actually became friends...email and phone...and I was invited to come visit, but I never had the oppportunity.

And that's why I was so hurt and angry when she killled herself last year.  I miss her dreadfully.  I don't know if her columns are still archived online, I haven't looked, but she always made sense...she didn't use vague terms like "meme," ...until she kinda went off the rails when her husband died.  You might find her books (she wrote 2) at half.com.  You can search by author.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2013 at 1:00am

Let me see if I can get a little clearer on what I am trying to learn about meme. I read Dawkins' book and what Dennett had to say. I read the Wiki articles and still I don't get a feel for a meme. I know I am not stupid, even as I feel stupid in this case. Perhaps it is my lack of a sense of humor, in that case I will just enjoy what others create.

There is another aspect of this, too. It is I agree wholeheartedly with what Ruth describes as poo, or a virus that atheists spread, unintentionally. When I write or read something critical, I wonder if it is a virus.

Things I write about religion are my true thoughts based on my experiences. I am biased and I know that, but there are so many outrageous stories religious tell each other, i.e. that woman who describes how god kept her oil bottle full, Oh! I get shutters. 

Well, I don't want to dwell on this too long, and what I am really trying to discover is how to use a meme to expose stupidity while not spreading poo all over the place. 

Please feel free to alert me when I do such a thing. Kind of like what Dogly did for me today!. It hurt when I read it, but he told me the truth and I love him for that. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 21, 2013 at 10:29pm

Joan you asked for examples of memes. It's like asking for examples of photographs or words, there are so many.

Waving to say "hello" is a nonverbal meme.

The shape of a knife is a meme embodied physically. It can be copied  and reproduced.

Any melody you like or don't like is a meme. The ones that are earworms are more successful in one way, propagating without your intent.

Tinkerbelle is a meme, as are all other fictional characters.

The name Joan is a meme.

Purses of all sorts are memes, as are all varieties of architecture, and of guitars, hairstyles and of vehicles.

Anything that can be imitated, remembered, thought about, communicated, and reproduced is a meme. A meme is a unit of culture.

Internet memes are only a small subset of memes. That use of the word "meme" is derivative and narrow.

BTW, Flying Atheist, thanks for the hilarious samples, especially the last one.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 21, 2013 at 10:07pm

Joan, without getting too detailed (which I'm probably not even knowledgeable enough to do) may I suggest you start by reading the Wikipedia article on Memes.  It's a very general and easily understood primer on the topic.  And also the more specific Internet meme article, also on Wikipedia. 

Here are just a few typical internet memes.  They are often related to current events or are just silly or very sarcastic in nature. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 9:14pm

OK you people with a firm understanding what memes are and how they work, how about giving us non-understanding people some examples of a really good meme that does its job. I think it will take just two or three to get us going. 

I don't intend to be mean with my memes, but I want to cut to the core of the issues I care about. Any coaches out there willing to help us make mastery of memes? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 9:08pm
sk8eycat, read your comment, "I feel stupid for whining about my cat's condition...and selfish...when some of you are undergoing much worse medical and family problems."
I am not aware of any limits of better than or worse than any situations that we write to each other. I figure Hang with Friends means writing about whatever is on our minds.
When you express concern about your cat falling so far, it is an experience that I can relate to and feel compassion for you and your beloved pet. I know the feeling.
When you wrote, "(I'm also terrified of the cost; I don't get my Social InSecurity deposit till next week...isn't that tacky?)"
Expressing concern about the cost of taking good care of your cat is another thing I can relate to. I have a hunch your vet will work with you on paying the costs. People generally understand unexpected expenses can create some serious problems, as with those on pensions. I think any good professional will work with you and may even reduce prices for you. Some even barter.
As to others of us who have different problems and conflicts in our lives, I see no need to worry about that. I can only speak for myself, but I find this a safe place to vent and even rant when I know for a fact those responses are not the best way to manage conflicts and problems. However, we need a place to vent all that pent-up emotion. This is also a place where we can get new perspectives on what happens to us.
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 5:01pm

Patricia, "Cheeses Christ" "Our Grate Lord". 

Now, is this what one would call a meme? I'm going to get the hang of memes yet. .... even though I am lousy at such cleverness. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 4:58pm

Steph, this breed of cat looks so interesting, and the one of a kind among one of a kind is funny. 

"Scottish Fold Cat Breed Traits

The Scottish Fold's folded ears are produced by a dominant gene that affects the cartilage of the ears, causing the ears to fold forward and downward, giving the head a rounded appearance. Since the gene is dominant, all Scottish Fold cats must have at least one folded ear parent to have folded ears themselves. When a Fold is bred to a straight-eared cat, approximately 50 percent of the kittens will have folded ears, although the number of Folds in any given litter can vary greatly."

http://www.petfinder.com/cat-breeds/Scottish-Fold

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 4:53pm
Tony, that poor mother, all those mouths to feed. I thought it was hard nursing three babies one after the other, I wonder how she manages?
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 1:38pm
Oh! I just have to share this video of Richard Feynman on the importance of fathers. Fathers of the world, take a peak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=695Flhmjmg4
 

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