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What Annoys God Most? (Betty Bowers)

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Long story short, it's those near misses, the almost-but-not-quite, close but no cheroot moments, or, would you believe ... Near Death Experiences!  So what's the big deal?  Betty Bowers, America's BEST Christian and self-proclaimed expert on such…Continue

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degrading love — part one (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 22. 11 Replies

Love is by many considered among the highest of positive emotions.  Yet when love of the type offered by deities is examined, something seems to go seriously wrong.  The love of Yahweh seems less a gift than a demand, not so much beneficence as a…Continue

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Ning, Error 500s, and Whether to Migrate

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Introducing Douglas Murray

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Most of us who have been around atheism for a while know the heavyweights of our ilk.  Names like Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, Dillahunty and AronRa get nearly daily mention in posts and discussions on Atheist Nexus.  One name I was…Continue

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If There's a God - She's a Woman - The Author T

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I came across this story and thought some here might find it interesting and humorous.It’s titled:If There’s a GodShe’s a WomanFrom the Series:Things You Can Learn from a VaginaIts on the website TheAuthorT.com under the tab, “Free to Read…Continue

His Dark Materials and the Catholic Church

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I recently watched the movie, "The Golden Compass" and since I could not find the sequels, I read the books. I enjoyed them, and I will be reading the first one, Northern Lights, starting tomorrow, since it just arrived via inter-library…Continue

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Comment by Plinius on April 13, 2013 at 2:53pm

Thanks Sk8eycat, I wasn't fully awake when I wrote the question. Then I remembered just when the vet told me that Prednizone boosts cancer: when my own red and white Plinius had a lump. On Prednizone he had six weeks more of the best sort of life we could give him, and when the pain came through we had him put to sleep.  I do hope Hairy Jerry will have an easy end too.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 13, 2013 at 1:31pm

Flying Atheist, Argument cat’s a keeper. I nearly rolled off of my chair laughing. I just had to put it in No Nonsense too.

Ian, appreciating the arts is great too. We can’t all have the same aptitude profiles, life would be too boring. I get an F on punning, for example.

Grumpy cat is a sweet girl, good to know. Thanks GrinningCat. Did you post that logicalfallacies link in No Nonsense?

Love Snack Cat LOL booklover. Every time I sit in my recliner to have a snack, within seconds our two cats are there with me asking for their snacks too. That expression captures the moment well.

Comment by sk8eycat on April 13, 2013 at 1:13pm

Oh!  I'm laughing at Snack Cat and Argument Cat!  Thank you both!

To Chris and Joseph...Dr. Liz said that Prednizone might help reduce some of the swelling because the tumor is pushing his esophagus and trachea to the side, and eventually he'll have difficulty swallowing.  We're trying to delay that. I did not ask her "how long?" when we were in the clinic...I don't think I want to know just yet.

And, yes, it's "people Prednizone."  (A very tiny dose, 0.01ml once a day)  Most all meds that vets use on mammals are the same stuff we use.  This is nasty, but all pharmaceutical companies test new drugs on animals before they ever test them on humans.  The ironic thing is that the one family of drugs that helps so many humans (myself included) is useless or lethal for dogs and cats...simple pain meds. Especially aspirin.

In the meantime, I'm going to be sans computer till the 26th.  I'll try to check in with you all before I leave tomorrow. (Sue is picking me up around 6 or 7 PM, and we're having dinner at a little hole-in-the-wall that serves the most dee-lishus barbecued pork chow fun I've ever tasted. I NEED a treat!)

I've been thinking about buying some alphabet pasta ever since I saw that black cat...tee-hee!  That really is such a great remark to use on the doorbell ringers.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 13, 2013 at 11:54am

Melinda, I love the look on Snack Cat's face.

Argument Cat is funny FA.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 13, 2013 at 10:58am

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 13, 2013 at 7:26am

G-Cat, thanks for the Logical Fallacy website.  I try to read about fallacies often so I can avoid making them in my arguments.  

It would also be a good thing if I could remember their names, but that's tough.

However, I'm always pleased to see that I recognize a lot of the fallacies and don't make them myself, even though I can't give them a name.

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 13, 2013 at 4:53am

In Ex-Adventists, Jen Phoenix shares an "awesome" website listing and explaining logical fallacies: http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

It turns out arguments for belief in God are well represented in the examples! There's also a bad argument or two for nonbelief -- but we shouldn't forget the "fallacist's fallacy": an unsound argument might have a conclusion that's true for other reasons. An example would be figuring that 16/64 = 16/64 = 1/4.

The page on Appeal to Consequences has a revealing slip that made me smile:

Both of these arguments are fallacious because ... all they do is appeal to the consequences of belief in God.... Neither argument, though, provides any evidence for Santa's existence.

And some pure silliness that exemplifies the "post hoc" fallacy:

(1) Most people who are read the last rites die shortly afterwards.
Therefore:
(2) Priests are going around killing people with magic words!

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 13, 2013 at 4:07am

"Give peas a chance" -- I love it, Ruth!

Joan, I'm glad you read and appreciated my comment on humanistic Jewish views of the Sabbath. The idea of a day of rest for ordinary working people was a huge social reform!

Patricia, I saw an interview of Grumpy Cat (a.k.a. Tardar Sauce) and one of her humans. Yes, Grumpy Cat is a girl, and she's actually a very sweet and sociable kitty who was purring when the interviewer held her.

Thanks Melinda, Joan, and Ruth, I'm glad you like my visual response. Most things are better with cats! I'm lucky to have "inherited" a computer with Photoshop -- about half of which is over my head -- but you can do such things with many image editing programs, including the free "GIMP". I used the magic wand to "erase" the white dots, leaving them as transparent holes, then put the cat on a layer underneath.

(Photoshop geeks: I used a layer mask. Before using the magic wand, I'd tried selecting the dots all at once based on gray level, but that either got light bits of background or left jagged, aliased edges. If there were hundreds of dots I'd have worked out a more automatic method.)

Comment by Ian Mason on April 13, 2013 at 3:52am

Sorry to hear about Jerry, Felaine. I'm sure you'll be a great care giver for him.

I agree that it's a good thing to be science literate but I just can't manage it. Even if I do understand explanations I forget them again, sometimes within minutes. If numbers are involved then it's a waste of everyone's time. By the time the explanation's come to an end I've forgotten the beginning. Just let me revel in the arts and I'm happy.

Comment by Plinius on April 13, 2013 at 1:01am

Prednizone when it's cancer? A few years ago my vet told me that prednizone can also boost cancer growth. Thinking of you and Jerry, Sk8eycat!

 

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