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The Burial Waltz

Started by Donatien Alphonse François. Last reply by Donatien Alphonse François Apr 26. 4 Replies

Hi everyone,It was almost a half-century ago, at age 15 or so, that I encountered one of the more important influences in my life: a crazy group of poets/musicians who called themselves The Fugs.They had a huge impact on me in that, though raised in…Continue

Some William Blake to Ponder

Started by Donatien Alphonse François. Last reply by Donatien Alphonse François Apr 25. 6 Replies

Hello all,I'm new here, and so hope this isn't old hat. But, I just had to point you toward a marvelous poem by William Blake in case you've never read it. Despite his sometimes heavily tinged biblical references in his other art and poetry, this…Continue

God's Not Dead - The Christian Persecution Complex (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Annie Willis Apr 20. 7 Replies

Doubtless most if not all of you have heard about that sorry piece of cinema known as God's Not Dead, and perhaps its sequel, cleverly entitled: God's Not Dead 2 (wow, how original!).  Personally, I have wasted neither time nor money on either,…Continue

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Confirmed: flagged by religious people for "bullying."

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller Apr 19. 4 Replies

According to Seth Andrews @SethAndrewsTTA  Apr 16"Confirmed. TTA was flagged by religious people for "bullying." Apparently, criticism and skepticism = persecution. #GodHatesFacts"Others reported as "Flagged" and taken off line: @The Thinking…Continue

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The Value of Atheist Nexus ... and of Keeping Contact

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 17. 13 Replies

I don't know about you, but the last 24+ hours were VERY uncomfortable for me.  Why?  Because something I value a LOT, being Atheist Nexus and the people I care about on A|N were temporarily unavailable to me.  No, we're not Facebook; I don't think…Continue

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Atheist Pig STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev Apr 5. 1 Reply

There's no getting around it, Atheist Pig is fast becoming my fave secular comic, and as evidence, I refer you to the following.  Jesus and Mo had better watch their respective asses, 'cuz they got a porker coming up on the outside, and I'm pretty…Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 6:45pm
Comment by sk8eycat on January 7, 2013 at 6:35pm

Back to the discussion about love and hate, this is what one of my heroes, Robert A. Heinlein had to say about love (in several books): "Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own..."

I'm not sure if I've ever felt that emotion, except for my parents...particularly when they were having so many medical problems the last few years of their lives.  And for all the many cats I've lived with during my life, of course.  I don't think I was ever "in love" with anybody...at least all the men I thought I was in love with turned out to be controlling rotters, and I ended up dumping each one.  Most of the men I care about deeply, and have for years, are gay.  They have been the best, most caring friends I've ever had. It didn't matter that I couldn't go to bed with them (well....some I did ... nice friendly cuddling). It's the mutual warmth and genuine affection that matters to me.

Obviously I've never had children, so I have no idea what that feels like.  I suppose my pets have been my "children," and I would seriously damage anyone who harmed any of them....or any so-called human who purposely harmed any animal.  (I've seen an ASPCA commercial many times in the last 3 weeks that made me cry so much I had to change the channel briefly...the "You Are So Beautiful..." one....with quick cuts of abandoned dogs and cats in cages.  Damn!  I'm crying right now, just thinking about it!)

Abandonment of children or pets ought to carry much more severe penalties than it does.

Okay.  Okay.  I do have abandonment "issues."  My dad "abandoned" me an my sister for 10 years...not by leaving home physically, but by escaping down the neck of a vodka bottle.....starting when I was 10 and my sister was 5.  There were times when I wanted to kill him, and it's a good thing we didn't have a gun in the house, or I might have taken a shot at him.  He wasn't violent or abusive in any way, he just wasn't "here."

Okay.  I'll shut up now.

OH!  I forgot!  I LOVE "This walk is over"!  I have never seen a dog do that before....just cats.  A LOT of cats.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 5:37pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/winners-of-the-national-...
"Viewers' Choice for Nature: Tender Moment - Everyday in Mara starts with something new and different and day ends with memorable experiences with spectacular photographs. I was very lucky to sight and photograph Malaika, the name of this female Cheetah, and her cub. She is well known for her habit of jumping on vehicles. She learned that from her mother Kike, and Kike from her mother Amber. Like her mother she is teaching lessons to her cub. This is a tender moment between Malaika and her cub. I was very lucky to capture that moment. (© Sanjeev Bhor/National Geographic Photo Contest)"
Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 5:27pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/winners-of-the-national-...
"Grand-Prize Winner: The Explosion! The subject's name is Busaba, a well cared for Indochinese Tigress whose home is at Khao Kheow Open Zoo, Thailand. I had taken many portraits of Busaba previously and it was becoming more and more difficult to come up with an image that appeared any different to the others. Which is why I took to observing her more carefully during my visits in the hope of capturing something of a behavioral shot. The opportunity finally presented itself while watching Busaba enjoying her private pool then shaking herself dry. In all humility I have to say that Mother Nature smiled favorably on me that day! (© Ashley Vincent/National Geographic Photo Contest)"
Comment by John Lynch on January 7, 2013 at 4:45pm

Yes to all those question Joan. I would be willing to bet a few pesos he is wrong.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 3:55pm

John Lynch,

http://www.standingforgod.com/2010/10/the-ministry-of-angels-end-ti...

looks like an interesting sci-fi read. I wonder if anyone asked the good man Dr. David Reagan what evidence does he have to support his claim? Does he believe all the things he reads in the scriptures? Are they worthy of believing? Is it possible that the end times will occur for homo sapiens when we create such a mess of Earth's fragile atmosphere all living things will die and it will take billions and billions of years to get back what we so blatantly wasted? Is it possible the scriptures are just myths told by Bronze Age tribal people to provide a story to explain things about nature they didn't understand? Could it be that religions offer outdated, outmoded, useless information unless one reads it for recreation or to pass time? What if he is wrong?

Sounds like a good source for Chris to answer his question. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 3:46pm

Chris Dodds, try Googling: angel + appear in the end times + four wings and four heads; those of a man, an ox, a lion, and an eagle. I found a lot of sites for this and haven't read them. they sound grim, scary, and would arouse fear in the faint hearted. Good luck!

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 3:45pm
Chris Dodds, try Googling:
angel + appear in the end times + four wings and four heads; those of a man, an ox, a lion, and an eagle.
I found a lot of sites for this and haven't read them. they sound grim, scary, and would arouse fear in the faint hearted. Good luck!
Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 3:36pm

John Lynch, for me, when someone doesn't know how to confront, or challenge, or assert themselves and end up trying to mentally and physically hurt someone, I usually go through a two step process: 1. State clearly, concretely, specifically a description of their behavior that I perceive as unhealthy, and offer a remedy. If the other is interested in building a team or community, they will listen. 2. If they have no such interest and only want control and power, my hate scale goes off the meter, I want nothing to do with them, and I dust the dirt off my shoes and go my own way or send them on their way from my property. 

Life is too short to suffer fools. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 3:31pm

Idaho Spud, you and Chris are correct about education that teaches obedience instead of critical thinking. It is harder work for a teacher to teach a large group, but there are also advantages. Conflict and problems come up and become the teachable moment. With the requirements to teach to the test, a good teacher has to forego such effort to get through the required stuff. 

When I taught at the boys' ranch, the prison, or the women's programs I was doing remedial work because my students, mostly, had done poorly in school and didn't learn the essential skills of problem solving and conflict resolution and how to think critically.

There are tons of books on these skills and I treated them like tools in a toolbox. My students had to show proficiency in listening, asserting, problem identification, goal setting, etc. in order to qualify for my certificate. 

 

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