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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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Degrees of Doubt: The Claims and Credentials of Ravi Zacharias (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris May 17. 1 Reply

Anyone here ever run onto an apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias?  I've seen his name dropped multiple times on YouTube as supposedly being THE ONE APOLOGIST that no atheist wants to cross swords with, because of his facility with christian…Continue

Tags: Ravi Zacharias, Steve Baughman, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S Apr 19. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

Tags: Frank Zindler, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

Tags: Emmy, news, television, daughter, dad

attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

Tags: ideas, Islam, TheraminTrees

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

The Playboy Interview: Richard Dawkins

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 28. 16 Replies

I suppose it was the news that Playboy magazine was returning nudes to its pages after a year's hiatus that sufficiently perked my curiosity to check them out again.  I hadn't looked at Playboy since perhaps 2008, when I began to recognize that I…Continue

Tags: Richard Dawkins, Playboy

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Comment by Ian Mason on April 29, 2013 at 3:41am

You light up my life.

Comment by tom sarbeck on April 29, 2013 at 3:22am

sk8eycat, who can hope to put words together better than you did with "...anybody with an IQ higher than their body temperature"?

Comment by Plinius on April 29, 2013 at 1:29am

I like your story very much, Felaine!

I dropped out of church when I could see the answer to a few questions like: xtians say that they've got all the solutions and that they're better and smarter and happier than other people - what is true about that?

When you've heard them screaming for fear that they'll go to hell you know enough. I kicked the xtian habit when about nineteen.  

 

Comment by sk8eycat on April 28, 2013 at 11:09pm

Brandi/Debra, you make a very good point; anything that keeps lgbt kids from being bullied by their own families, churches, classmates, and their own inner thoughts to the point of suicide is a good thing.

I didn't think much about variations of sexuality till I joined a large  ice show in 1957. I was fresh out of high school, and ignorant.  Most of the chorus guys, and a few of the principal skaters were gay, and I had a flash of insight that my skating teacher back home was also gay. My first thought was something on the order of, "So what? They're just people...some very talented, smart, fun, and some MUCH more likeable than many of my boyfriends."  I'm still in touch with the ones who are still alive, and I treasure their friendship.

One couple (NOT from the ice show...I met them when I worked for a local PBS station years later) has been together for more than 40 years, and early on in their relationship one of the partners was still under the influence of his strict religious upbringing...feeling much guilt, etc.  So they went church shopping, including the Metropolitan Church.  That was in its very early days, and my friends weren't impressed.  I think they are still searching, but they have found more sense of "community" in the smallish town in central Arizona where they've retired.  It's very conservative, but nobody seems to give a rat's patoot about who lives with who.

Turns out that ALL my other gay friends are atheists, and very happy about it.  Well....it's really the only thing that makes sense.

I was a church-going Bapnit till my middle 20s, but I was uncomfortable with many aspects. I stoped going to services when I first went on the road at 17, but I kept searching for something. I thought there was something wrong with me because my friends who were believers just accepted everything as fact.  I couldn't.  So I finally read the entire buybull from beginning to end to see if I had been missing or misunderstanding something; I was aware that our Sunday school lessons and buybull study classes were cherry-picked.  And guess what!  By the time I finished reading, and thinking about what I had read, I realized the whole thing was preposterous.  Folk tales, myths, and contradictory nonsense.  Fiction all the way through.  What a relief! (I had tried reading the Book of Mormon, too, but I had a much more difficult time wading through that one.)

I guess my point is that really reading the whole buybull, with an open mind, will make an atheist  out of just about anybody with an IQ higher than their body temperature.

And that's why Felaine doesn't buy that bull anymore.

;>)

Comment by tom sarbeck on April 28, 2013 at 10:02pm

Brandi, booklover and others,

"...about her atheist friend with the bisexual daughter...."

Those of us who are straight or gay might forget, bisexual folk are twice as likely as any of us to find someone to take home.

Comment by tom sarbeck on April 28, 2013 at 9:54pm

Lillie:

"It is so funny the way our pets let us know it is not OK to leave them...."

How they welcome us back is also funny, and sometimes wet.

On my way to work one day I left our (he was my wife's too) German shepherd pup at the vet. That afternoon he welcomed me by leaping from the vet's arms onto me and peeing.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 28, 2013 at 9:22pm

Felaine, I have a gay friend I've known for over thirty years who is an ordained minister for the Metropolitan Community Church.  Like most other religious people I'm sure he must cherry-pick the good from the bad parts from the bible.  It doesn't matter if a person is gay or straight, they all must utilize the same type of mental gymnastics to avoid excessive cognitive dissonance. 

Religious behavior is hard to change.  Years ago there weren't any churches that were openly welcoming to gays, so they said, "F.U." and started their own.  I really can't blame them.  I'm gay and grew up in a very liberal, progressive, gay friendly church.  There weren't any horrible fire and brimstone sermons condemning who I was.  The issue of homosexuality isn't what drove me away from religion.  It was just stepping back, looking hard, and realizing that EVERYTHING was a huge load of dung. 

If church attendance is declining overall, I'm sure it is for the gay Metropolitan Community Church as well. 

Comment by Megan S. M. on April 28, 2013 at 9:18pm

Haha Steph I love the coffee cat :) so cute

Comment by sk8eycat on April 28, 2013 at 8:28pm

Debra, I don't understand why any lgbt people still believe that book of myths that says there's a creator who made them, but hates them.  Not only do they attend services, they want to be priests, pastors, ministers in the very churches whose book of rules says they must be stoned to death.

They even founded their own church in 1968, and it's definitely xian protestant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Community_Church

The anonymous authors of the novel called the New Testament did have the Jesus character saying that he came to uphold ALL the old laws which did include the death penalty for same sex sex. (There is no historical evidence for the events or persons in the gospels...except for the names of kings and other high officials.  Not even any evidence that "Paul" wrote Acts or any of the epistles.)

Comment by Steph S. on April 28, 2013 at 8:11pm

 

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