HUMANE ATHEISTS is a group for people who are interested in trying to live a humane life by understanding the issues surrounding animal welfare.

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I welcome posts on personal experiences, news and inspirational stories, action alerts, ethical questions, humane living options such as products and websites, and related topics.

I look forward to your contributions, and I hope that we can make HUMANE ATHEISTS one of the most active and vital groups on Atheist Nexus.

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Comment by sacha on December 29, 2009 at 5:52pm
Found it.

Pack Of Lies

also I am a dog volunteer at the SPCA and they are against his techniques
along with these organizations and more:

The American Humane Society

American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior

Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA)
(found PDF - looking for a link)

Veterinary Behaviorists Take a Stand Against Cesar Millan

more information here:

Veterinary Behaviorists Question Dominance Theory in Dogs

What′s Wrong with Using ‘Dominance’ to Explain the Behaviour of Dogs?

I have many more links full of information if anyone would like to read more.
Comment by sacha on December 29, 2009 at 4:50pm
Who said it was a scam?
No one is "faking it" the dogs are clearly frightened of him. I work with dogs. I'm around all kinds of dogs all day long. None of them respond to me the way the do to him, and the dogs still listen to me. It is well known in the professional community and the veterinary association that his techniques belong back in the dark ages of training. I'm not saying that everything he does is wrong. I've never said that.

All good trainers and dog professionals teach accountability.

Your story sounds to me as if the dog was clearly abused, that is a whole other issue.

There was a brilliant 3 or 4 page article about Millan and his techniques a few years ago. I lost it when my computer died a while ago. I will do my best to find it and post it here.
Comment by sacha on December 28, 2009 at 5:35am
Another article regarding Casar Millan here- “At best, the show is entertaining but misleading to pet owners. At worst, Mr. Millan’s techniques and misinformation have contributed to increased aggression and anxiety or resulted in physical injury to the pet and/or pet owner. As practicing veterinarians, we all unfortunately have seen many cases of the latter."
Comment by sacha on December 27, 2009 at 4:17pm
Kill It, Cook It, Eat It - new series from BBC 3

Julia Bradbury hosts a series that shows exactly what it takes to turn a living animal into meat for the table.

The fourth series of the brand goes down to the farm to follow how animals are turned into fast food - cattle into burgers, lambs into kebabs, pigs into sausages and chickens into nuggets.

Following and helping will be a group of six volunteers who, by immersing themselves in the visceral experience, will be able to inform and challenge their beliefs in a show that debates the ethics around meat production and eating in the UK today.

The volunteers arrive at Pipers Farm in Devon for an emotional journey as they discover how cattle are slaughtered and turned into burgers. They climb the hill to get up close to and care for the Red Ruby cattle, then help choose two for slaughter and take them to the local abattoir, where they watch the kill - up close and uncensored.

They then help butcher and mince the meat to make burgers, but will any of them have the stomach to eat them?
Comment by sacha on December 23, 2009 at 1:51pm
I work with dogs for a living, and I completely agree with your statement about people not allowing their dogs to be dogs. The dogs are most certainly miserable. The dogs around Caesar Milan are fearful of him. There is absolutely no reason to instill fear.
Have you heard about the Mirror Method - relationship, training, and lifestyle? Video here:
article here
article about the Mirror Method here

and also this woman (Marilyn Pona) and her training style is phenomenal: The Art Of Training
Comment by Toni B on December 23, 2009 at 6:18am
Milan's approach shows an understanding of more than just the rudiments of psychology. His insights into an animal's behavior go deep--they almost seem to touch the very essence to evolution itself.
Comment by sacha on December 19, 2009 at 3:12pm
Caesar Milan has set dog training back decades, to before positive reinforcement and humane training methods - Know what to say to Dog Whisperer fans:
Comment by sacha on December 15, 2009 at 3:32pm
Octopus snatches coconut and runs
article and amazing video.
Comment by sacha on December 12, 2009 at 8:32pm
Comment by sacha on December 8, 2009 at 10:24pm
Fur is the Best Medicine

Pet therapy helps to reduce the need for pain pills.

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