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Comment by Loren ɟɟןoʍ on April 9, 2010 at 2:30am
Please come and join my Pat Condell group. Every video he brings out is a brilliant piece of satire and very current.
Comment by Loren ɟɟןoʍ on April 9, 2010 at 2:28am
Watch this brilliant video, as they all are from Pat Condell, about the Jews and Jesus.
Comment by Loren ɟɟןoʍ on April 9, 2010 at 2:27am
Comment by Cecilia on April 2, 2010 at 3:16pm
The Vatican's responses just keep getting worse - this statement is so offensive, so irresponsible, I hope that there is a huge outcry against this.
Comment by Jennifer Kaufman on March 7, 2010 at 12:14am
20 years ago, I was speaking to my Brooklyn born grandmother who was complaining about the "immigrants" who keep their spanish tv and movies.

I was brilliant, and shifted the conversation to the Yiddish theater of old, the newspapers that used to be written in neither Spanish or English. She got the point, and I even got to hear some memories of her seeing famous actresses when she was a kid in NY.
Comment by Ralph Dumain on March 6, 2010 at 7:14pm
The magnitude of this topic calls for a discussion topic devoted to it, as this wall is growing fast. Noting Phil's age, I see he comes from a time period in which the difference between Jew and Gentile in his social environment was far from imperceptible, though he still is a baby boomer.
Comment by Jennifer Kaufman on March 6, 2010 at 1:36pm
Yup. The Lubavitchers do the outreach to secular jews. They would love to get our membership roles. All these untemple-ed jews.
Comment by Adam on March 6, 2010 at 1:14pm
@Phil Good point. Even if the exegetical foundation survives and develops at what point past becoming secular would it cease to actually be Jewish? Sort of like a species evolving; at what point does a proto-cow become a modern cow, right?
Comment by Jennifer Kaufman on March 6, 2010 at 1:10pm
Are the hasidic/Lubavitcher jews part of this? All the nonsense about separation... It is all so desperate, a way of being special it seems to me. Like being even MORE chosen of their god. I can't believe I ever once bought into that. My mom's family were reform living among hasids, they thought they were better than her.
Comment by Adam on March 6, 2010 at 11:38am
@Phil Judaism is a fundamentally legalistic religion. It's a set of rules and judgment is found based on action, as opposed to Christianity which is about what you feel and believe. By extension this makes Judaism easier to preserve without religious underpinnings. It's not about belief. It's not about faith. It's about knowing a set of laws and being able to argue about them. This is why Jews are known as historical debaters and arguers. The secular Yiddish movement followed this patter, moving the debate from rabbinic subject matter to philosophy and politics. Taking Jewish culture and values and applying them to a philosophical Humanism shouldn't be all that difficult, though those who embrace the religious aspects of Judaism will find it needless.

@Ralph Just a note about Yiddish preservation: your last statement is actually two-fold and I argue against half of it.

1) "Preserving Yiddish culture in the contemporary world is an inherently artificial process"
There are many Orthodox communities that raise their children to speak Yiddish as their first language. This is helped along by the fact that here are Yeshivas that also teach the language. Yiddish is in danger of being isolated from the secular world but it's not actually in danger of dying out.

2) "only a fool would exclude anyone who wants to participate in it."
Those "fools" would be the Orthodox and I don't want to pass judgment on them one way or another in this short comment, but they do want to exclude people from it so you can probably finish that thought on your own...

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