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Atheists have our own ideas about what is just and what is unjust.  This group will explore the elusive concept of justice.  Topics include racial injustice, death penalty, imprisonment, crime, and other aspects of justice in modern society and in history.  Without gods, what is the basis for justice?  What do humanists and others say about justice?  What do you think about current controversies and cases regarding justice or injustice?

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Troy Davis's photo was chosen as this original icon for this group.  Davis symbolized inequality of justice in the US.  At the time of his execution, 9/21/11, the evidence supporting his conviction was flimsy.  There was known evidence supporting his innocence.  He was executed anyway. Since then the icon is changed to represent justice in general.

 

There are different nontheist points of view about justice, punishment, penalties, death penalty.   There is strong support for retribution and execution in the theist community (in the US).

 

What serves as "justice" is not distributed evenly across communities.  The most egregious injustice has strong racial overtones.  If you would like to read about, and discuss justice, what it is, who gets justice, and who doesn't, and stories relevant to this topic, please join and contribute to the discussions.

 

Resources

www.deathpenalty.org  factsheet.

www.deathpenalty.org  main page

deathpenaltyinfo.org  executed possibly innocent

amnestyUSA death penalty information

death row population (CNN)  sept 2011.

innocence project.  The innocent and the death penalty.

innocence project Wikipedia discussion

California innocence project

Chicago innocence project

Georgia innocence project

ThinkProgress/Justice

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Justice for the elderly - hah

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 19. 0 Replies

In the US, victims pay corporate criminals through taxes

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Apr 9. 1 Reply

On Burying the Torture Report

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Daniel W Dec 9, 2014. 3 Replies

Black Panic

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 4, 2014. 7 Replies

Environmental Activist Hit Lists

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 30, 2014. 2 Replies

Harsher sentences increase crime

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Luara Jun 27, 2014. 4 Replies

Debtors Prison in the US

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Comment by Daniel W on April 9, 2015 at 1:37pm

Comment by Daniel W on April 9, 2015 at 1:24pm

I'm sure this has been on the news everywhere.


I hate always posting bad things. So I will say one possibly good thing, in the context of ongoing police thuggery, and murders especially of black men - we now live in a world where anyone has access to video camera via their cellphone, anyone can post it on the web, and every police officer has to know that the people may be watching.
Comment by Joan Denoo on April 2, 2015 at 10:35pm

These three events and for too many others reveal the weakness of our judicial system. Weakness is not a strong enough word. Crimes committed by the Judicial Banch of USA government continues to this day. The ghosts of beliefs long since discredited hang over our system. Conviction caused by careless or irresponsible law enforcement haven't been caught by the Court. 

Seeing the face of people wrongly convicted reverberates like a rusty wheel. Grinding down pride and respect for our justice system.  

There is no compensation for lives wrongly spent in prison or for the people killed by law enforcement. A police person's bulet becomes the judge and jury with no remedy for errors. 

Comment by Daniel W on April 2, 2015 at 9:54pm
Comment by Daniel W on April 2, 2015 at 9:50pm
Comment by Daniel W on April 2, 2015 at 9:50pm
Comment by tom sarbeck on February 26, 2015 at 4:44am

Daniel W et al (lawyers' talk for "and others'), SCOTUS has evolved since the 1790s. In early opinions the first paragraph looked like an argument for bringing cases to the courts rather than settling them by dueling. They succeeded; their opinions no longer persuade people to use the courts.

In my second year in college ('54-'55) I wrote a term paper on the court's church and state opinions and have been reading them ever since. Before I finished college I took the LSAT (law school admissions test) but did much better on the GRE and went to grad school. I did however learn how to use a law library.

SCOTUS has occasionally decided cases as if they were a super legislature and then, as if stricken by conscience, recognized that they were not elected and the Congress was. Critics say their many 5-4 and 6-3 opinions mark them as a political body rather than a judicial body. Earl Warren in 1954 worked hard to get a 9-0 opinion to desegregate the public schools.

About amici that look like propaganda pieces, an attorney told me they are. Witnesses in trial courts are under oath; people who write amici for appellate courts are not. Justices lean heavily on their clerks.

Comment by sk8eycat on February 26, 2015 at 12:47am
Comment by Joan Denoo on January 27, 2015 at 10:30pm

Daniel, it is no accident that "6 death row inmates were exonerated in 2014" and " 6 of them were black." Racism continues its monstrous reality.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 27, 2015 at 10:26pm

Thanks, Daniel, for the update on exonerations and the efforts to investigate old convictions. The fact that so many confessed to crimes they did not commit smells like the effects of incentives to put people in jail in order to keep the private prison populations high. Wrong incentives all the way around. 

 

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