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Justice For All

Atheists have our own ideas about what is just and what is unjust.  This group will explore the elusive concept of justice.  Topics include racial injustice, death penalty, imprisonment, crime, and other aspects of justice in modern society and in history.  Without gods, what is the basis for justice?  What do humanists and others say about justice?  What do you think about current controversies and cases regarding justice or injustice?

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Troy Davis's photo was chosen as this original icon for this group.  Davis symbolized inequality of justice in the US.  At the time of his execution, 9/21/11, the evidence supporting his conviction was flimsy.  There was known evidence supporting his innocence.  He was executed anyway. Since then the icon is changed to represent justice in general.

 

There are different nontheist points of view about justice, punishment, penalties, death penalty.   There is strong support for retribution and execution in the theist community (in the US).

 

What serves as "justice" is not distributed evenly across communities.  The most egregious injustice has strong racial overtones.  If you would like to read about, and discuss justice, what it is, who gets justice, and who doesn't, and stories relevant to this topic, please join and contribute to the discussions.

 

Resources

www.deathpenalty.org  factsheet.

www.deathpenalty.org  main page

deathpenaltyinfo.org  executed possibly innocent

amnestyUSA death penalty information

death row population (CNN)  sept 2011.

innocence project.  The innocent and the death penalty.

innocence project Wikipedia discussion

California innocence project

Chicago innocence project

Georgia innocence project

ThinkProgress/Justice

Discussion Forum

Debtors Prison for Kids

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 23. 7 Replies

Your DNA could be found on a weapon you never touched

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 4, 2015. 7 Replies

Climate Change hinders prison reform in CA

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Oct 22, 2015. 1 Reply

In the US, victims pay corporate criminals through taxes

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Oct 15, 2015. 2 Replies

Justice for the elderly - hah

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 19, 2015. 0 Replies

On Burying the Torture Report

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Dec 9, 2014. 3 Replies

Black Panic

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 4, 2014. 7 Replies

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Comment by k.h. ky on August 19, 2016 at 7:42pm
Daniel, about imprisoning people for marijuana use. Statistics show blacks are sentenced much harsher than whites even though the are a much smaller percentage of the population. I'm sure you know that.
Fan of marijuana or not more people believe the criminal cost of prosecution isn't worth the cost. Cannabis is medicine for many older people. I believe it's less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes. Adults over twenty one should have legal access. IMO
Comment by Joan Denoo on August 19, 2016 at 6:51pm

Daniel, "On Walter Scott..." video is available. The 4:19 minute one is.  

I like what he has to say and his ideas. Sending our filming to iCloud, makes sense. 

I also agree with you about private prisons. The incentives are all wrong, making them inappropriate from the beginning of design to the ways they impact both guards and prisoners. 

Everyone should watch the Zimbardo's study, "Stanford Prison Experiment"

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 19, 2016 at 6:41pm

Daniel, Your April 9 film "I'm sure this has been on the news everywhere." is not available for viewing. 

Comment by tom sarbeck on August 19, 2016 at 6:29pm

...we now live in a world where anyone has access to video camera via their cellphone, anyone can post it on the web, and every police officer has to know that the people may be watching.

Northern California and several other ACLU chapters have a cell phone ap that uploads video of police actions to ACLU computers before the police can seize the phone.

I have it on my cell. All I have to do is hang out where police officers are likely to do what too many police officers have done.

Comment by Donald R Barbera on August 18, 2016 at 7:24pm
I started following this story about three years ago. I to never liked idea of private prisons because opportunities to abuse the justice system are just too great. In various places acros the country a growing number sheriff's offices being investigated for helping keep a pipeline of "criminals" to fill the private prison. They have been receiving kickbacks from the private prison. Judges are being bought as well to law officials. I'm glad they're going to quit using them.
Comment by Loren Miller on August 18, 2016 at 3:28pm

The idea of private prisons has never sat well with me, and to hear that the federal government is abandoning them is damned good news to my ears.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on August 18, 2016 at 2:38pm
That's great news, Daniel. Private corporations should not be in the business of making profits from state/federal incarcerations.
Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on August 18, 2016 at 1:17pm
Private prison corporations' stocks plummet. Their main hope - election of Trumpanzee. The Orange One has them in His portfolio, and they could be used as concentration camps / outprocessing facilities for all those Mexicans and Muslems he claims he'll deport.


https://www.thestreet.com/story/13679377/2/private-prison-stocks-pl...
Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on August 18, 2016 at 12:34pm
Justice department states it will stop the use of private prisons. The evidence shows, they dont work.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/18/490498158/justice...

I always thought that making imprisonment into a corporate enterprise was unwise. Another case of corpirate and libertarian ideology overtaking reasonable practice.

Now, about imprisoning people for marijuana use...
Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on April 9, 2015 at 1:37pm

 

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