Justice For All

Atheists have our own ideas about what is just and what is unjust.  This group will explore the elusive concept of justice.  Topics include racial injustice, death penalty, imprisonment, crime, and other aspects of justice in modern society and in history.  Without gods, what is the basis for justice?  What do humanists and others say about justice?  What do you think about current controversies and cases regarding justice or injustice?

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Troy Davis's photo was chosen as this original icon for this group.  Davis symbolized inequality of justice in the US.  At the time of his execution, 9/21/11, the evidence supporting his conviction was flimsy.  There was known evidence supporting his innocence.  He was executed anyway. Since then the icon is changed to represent justice in general.


There are different nontheist points of view about justice, punishment, penalties, death penalty.   There is strong support for retribution and execution in the theist community (in the US).


What serves as "justice" is not distributed evenly across communities.  The most egregious injustice has strong racial overtones.  If you would like to read about, and discuss justice, what it is, who gets justice, and who doesn't, and stories relevant to this topic, please join and contribute to the discussions.


Resources  factsheet.  main page  executed possibly innocent

amnestyUSA death penalty information

death row population (CNN)  sept 2011.

innocence project.  The innocent and the death penalty.

innocence project Wikipedia discussion

California innocence project

Chicago innocence project

Georgia innocence project


Discussion Forum

Discovery Process Hurts You

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Dec 11, 2016. 1 Reply

Private Prisons Evade Taxes

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 26, 2016. 0 Replies

Debtors Prison for Kids

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 23, 2016. 7 Replies

Your DNA could be found on a weapon you never touched

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 4, 2015. 7 Replies

Climate Change hinders prison reform in CA

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Oct 22, 2015. 1 Reply

In the US, victims pay corporate criminals through taxes

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Oct 15, 2015. 2 Replies

Justice for the elderly - hah

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 19, 2015. 0 Replies

On Burying the Torture Report

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Daniel W Dec 9, 2014. 3 Replies

Black Panic

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by kathy: ky Sep 4, 2014. 7 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on April 19, 2012 at 6:55pm

Anne thank you for getting my blood pressure up!  Just goes to show, well, I don't know what it goes to show.  Being rich pays off, being poor does not.  A for the shoot first laws, they should all be repealed.  They are terrible.  Statistics should be kept.  2 homides a week in FLlorida where the killers go free?  Statistics need to be kept.  Not the least of which, they should include community, situation, and demographic / racial data.

Comment by annet on April 19, 2012 at 12:41pm


In just seven years since ALEC adopted the model ”Shoot First” law, ALEC members and the NRA have successfully worked to get laws passed around the country that encourage armed vigilantism. In more than 30 states, it is now legal to lethally shoot another person if you feel threatened, even if you could have safely walked away. No reliable statistics track how many people have been killed nationwide thanks to these laws, but in Florida alone, there are on average two homicides each week where the killers are likely to go free.

Comment by annet on April 18, 2012 at 10:07pm

Comment by MonkeyPhilosopher on April 14, 2012 at 12:39am

Sadly, its true. But, insanely this transformation is not to scare us. It's designed to ignite us. Is it diliberate? I can't say. But the process of the change in our Law enforcments pressence is called Deindividuation, Dehumanization. Goto to see these effects based in study, it's spooky crap. The black uniforms, the faceless drones. They seem to be trying to make us lash out so they can crack down more.

Comment by Daniel W on April 8, 2012 at 5:03pm

Anne, the US seems to be more and more moving toward a military state in many ways.  It's worrisome.


Continuing to follow the killing of Trayvon Martin in Florida.  Can the different races have such different opinions, and we still have an expectation of justice?  I don't know.  I liked on of the photos, and old white guy had a sign saying "They never stop and frisk old white guys like me".


In Chicago, Howard Morgan was sentencedto 40 years in prison.  His crime was apparently in 2005, when he was stopped for driving the wrong way on a one way street; police pulled him over then "something happened".  He had a gun.  He was a railroad officer.  When it was over, he had been shot 21 times in the back and 7 in the chest.  He was a former police officer, had never been arrested, no drugs, no alcohol.  "Morgan's van was crushed before any forensic evidence could be gathered, he was never tested for gun residue, and the state did not produce the actual bullet proof vest worn by officers."  Of the 4 officers who shot him, 4 were white.  Morgan is black.

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Comment by annet on April 3, 2012 at 10:06pm
More disturbing than riot gear or heavy-duty weapons slung across the backs of American police officers is a “militaristic mind-set” creeping into officers’ approach to their jobs, said Timothy Lynch, director of the criminal justice project at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. “It is in the way they search and raid homes and the way they deal with the public,” he said. 
Is this the militarization of the American police?
Comment by annet on April 3, 2012 at 10:02pm



‘Officers, Why Do You Have Your Guns Out?’



Comment by Daniel W on April 2, 2012 at 8:59am

Can we expect a fair trial and just outcome in the Trayvon case when media are so dishonest and biased?  With biasfrom median and possibly from the police and the city law enforcement, what are we left with?

Comment by Daniel W on March 31, 2012 at 10:29am

Black and Unarmed. from The Root.

Comment by Daniel W on March 29, 2012 at 9:56pm

I agree there needs to be a safety net for health care.  As to the details of this case - I hope more information comes out.  Looks like she died of pulmonary embolism.  The report states she was evaluated for blood clots in the legs, which is where pulmonary embolism originates and is appropriate at least for starters.  If there was unexplained ankle swelling, the leg ultrasounds were appropriate.  As for the rest, not enough info.  I agree health care is a right.  In the US, most of health care is via private companies, who get massive amounts of $$$ from the govt.  Just as the govt pays catholic hospitals that may refuse birth control or abortion, they pay commercial hospitals that may turn away the destitute and mentally ill.  Your tax dollars at work.


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