Left Wing Atheists

A forum for meaningful dialogue between people affiliated to or supportive of left wing politics....communism/socialism/anarchism/syndicalism etc. It's essentially meant to be an anti-capitalist/anti-imperialist forum.

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Comment by Steph S. on December 25, 2011 at 7:48pm

Wow that is scary! We keep "meeting up" in these groups here Wanderer -- how cool is that? Hope you are having a good day!

Comment by Jedi Wanderer on December 25, 2011 at 7:44pm

Well I did have a cop pull his gun out and point it at me for getting out of my car when he pulled up behind me at a park. Scary as hell.

Comment by Steph S. on December 25, 2011 at 7:07pm
Police do seem more brutal. I agree. Anyone else think so?
Comment by TNT666 on September 20, 2011 at 6:02pm

I've not been among demonstrators in many years. Since then, watching various demonstrator videos, it seems a couple of things are different from the 70s-80s:

1-police are more brutal

2-zipties seem inhuman compared to handcuffs, IMO handcuffs are less harmful to the wrists

3-demonstrators no longer are being taught the "skills" that used to be taught to handle arrest passively.

I sometimes wonder if 3 might be a contributing factor of 1? Or is it just my age is starting to show?

Personally, I'm looking forward to turning 60, stop dying my hair, and officially be an old lady. Then I'll return to demonstrations as a "raging granny" (childless granny:) and coopt all the other old ladies. Cuz if you're childless, at that age, there is really nothing to lose, which places us in a advantageous position... and the law treats old ladies a little less brutally?

Comment by New Atheist on September 20, 2011 at 2:19pm

Is anyone supporting the Occupy Wall Street movement?  The police are dragging non-violent protesters by their feet!

Watch the live coverage here:


Comment by Ramez Atallah on September 8, 2011 at 4:43pm
At which end of the political spectrum are atheists more likely to be?? are far right atheists hypocrites?? what are your thoughts?? would someone like Sam Harris be considered a right wing liberal? Should we allow him to represent atheists??
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on January 13, 2011 at 12:53pm


People & Power - The struggle for Turkey
The military backs a secular state.

The generals forced a collapse of the Turkish government because they feared an attempt to create an Islamic government. Koranic schools in some regions were allowed to flourish until the Islamic president was disposed.

Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on January 7, 2011 at 9:58pm



Cuba retools its socialism
W. T. Whitney Jr.

January 7 2011

"The old story of non-compliances and overdrafts must come to an end," Cuban President Raul Castro told the National Assembly on December 18. "The plan and the budget are sacred."

Cuban socialism is changing. Foreign onlookers on the right welcome the prospect of a failed socialist state. Others on the left warn of alleged capitalist accommodation. But for many who respect Cuba's sovereign right to chart its own course, the assumptions, goals, and methods involved are of intense interest.

Recently released documents, reports and interviews are relevant. Divided into 11 work groups, the Cuban Communist Party's Economics Commission last November released its "Draft Economic and Social Policy Guidelines for the Party and the Revolution." This detailed, comprehensive summary of proposed changes was prepared for nationwide study prior to the Sixth Communist Party Congress in April, 2011. It's available here.

Cuba's hand is forced. Affected by the world economic crisis, export and tourist income is down and import prices, particularly for food, are high. Internal waste and low agricultural production weigh heavily. Foreign debt is past due or coming due. The U.S. economic blockade ups the cost of buying and transporting vital foreign goods. International lending institutions and banks, under U.S. influence, interfere with Cuban trade and borrowing. Hurricanes in 2008 caused damage costing $10 billion.

Finance Minister Lina Pedraza recently called for "guaranteeing income levels sufficient to back up decisions on social spending." She indicated income from state enterprises and projects had covered only 55 percent of recently budgeted state expenses.

Economic adjustment began in 2007 with diagnostic commissions and new models of business management. In 2008, the government opened up sales of personal communication equipment and access to tourist facilities for use by Cubans. It expanded direct food sales to consumers and initiated land-use reform aimed at utilizing idle land.

In 2009, Cuba modified its budget, reduced imports, created an accounting agency, and removed some free services and subsidies. Last year the government eased home construction and repair regulations, and expanded taxable self-employment opportunities. Municipalities began incorporating small businesses and cooperatives into local development plans. Tourist facility developers gained long-term land-use rights. Farmers could now purchase supplies on their own. Agricultural cooperatives began planning for the manufacture of agricultural products. The government announced elimination of 500,000 state jobs over six months and authorized 250,000 small, privately owned businesses that would be allowed to hire their own employees.

The planning process features attention to detail, establishment of priorities, and efforts at consensus. Haste and improvisation are out. With the "Draft Economic and Social Guidelines" as centerpiece, discussions have focused on goals, methods and mindset of a process in motion. Socialist purposes, current economic pressures and priorities, local autonomy, international collaboration, separation of long- and short-term goals, and environmental sustainability are on the agenda. That agenda includes taxes, enforcement of compliance, foreign and internal investments, management of debt and credit, salaries, pricing, cooperatives, import substitution, agricultural production, tourism and educational correlates. A multifaceted educational and deliberative process has extended throughout the island.

Recurring themes are self-criticism, decentralization, prioritization of economics, wealth redistribution through taxation, and emphasis on efficiency, work and self-pay programs. Speaking to leaders of the CTC trade union confederation, President Castro and Finance Minister Murillo urged unionists to take on key roles in implementing new tax policies and encouraging production and work efficiency.

A recent interview by Cuba's "Rebel Youth" (Juventud Rebelde) newspaper with former economics official Joaquin Infante provides useful background information. Australian Marce Cameron's translation is available on her valuable new Cuba Socialist Renewal blog.

According to Infante, "Administrative management of the economy has a long history," with a "cult of plans for material output, not of ... financial balances. We became accustomed ... to always covering deficits and deficiencies whether or not results were obtained." He recalled, "Finances smacked of capitalism to us, and this led to an extreme centralization of planning and economic decision-making. With this rigidity and inflexibility, finances cannot function."

Subsidies applying originally to "products sold to the population" extended to "thousands of products and productive activities," he said. However, "if you subsidize all production, nobody knows the cost of anything," he said. "One of the key changes is that losses will no longer be subsidized. Thus, the enterprise will be obliged to become more efficient."

"This implies a decentralization of power towards the enterprise system," Infante explained. Currently, he said, "funds from earnings cannot be kept in the enterprise... and everything goes up." Opportunities are lacking to reward "work excellence and quality." "With an economy that doesn't prosper, how can the social programs be sustained?" he asked.

Asked about criticisms from "leftist theoreticians who believe they're seeing the end of socialism in Cuba," Infante replied: "Is it about resolving the concrete problems of a country? I'm a practical theorist. Nobody has managed to construct an ideal socialism. Here we do things in our own style, for more socialism. And what is socialism, if not to give well-being to the people and redistribute the resources in the best way possible?"

He added: "When you put an end to administrative tutelage, and you are ruled by economic-financial results, you will be cornering bureaucratism. The priority is to change our conception of the economy, for more and better socialism." He said the aim is for "planning to take precedence over the market, but [leaving] spaces for the market."

Raul Castro, speaking to the National Assembly, repeated his earlier declaration that "I was not elected President to restore capitalism in Cuba nor to surrender the Revolution. I was elected to defend, maintain and continue improving socialism, not to destroy it." Castro insisted, "The Socialist State shall not leave any citizen unprotected and via the social welfare system it shall ensure that people who are unable to work will receive the minimum required protection."

The Cuban president said the new guidelines "signal the road towards a socialist future, adapted to Cuba's conditions and not to the capitalist and neo-colonial past which was defeated by the Revolution. Planning and not free market shall be the distinctive feature of the economy ... the concentration of ownership shall not be allowed."

Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on December 29, 2010 at 11:27am

news items


Obama collaborates with Bush right wing.

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe

— Zuma/Paul Morse

A WikiLeaks cable shows that when Spain considered a criminal case against ex-Bush officials, the Obama White House and Republicans got really bipartisan.

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Environmental News. Reuters Photo Journalist beaten

Video: U.N. Guards Beat Reuters Photographer at Cancún Climate Talks

Reutersjournalistdetainedandbeaten Democracy Now! videotaped U.N. security guards Friday beating a Reuters photographer who was arrested while covering a protest at the U.N. climate conference in Cancún. Guards seized Jorge Silva’s press credentials and then beat him while he was detained on a bus. The incident sparked a protest by other Mexican photographers.

 Watch video
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more from Amy's place


Palestinians to Ask U.N. to Recognize State

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said today that the Palestinians will ask the United Nations Security Council in January to recognize an
independent Palestinian state. Three Latin American countries—Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia—have already recognized an independent Palestinian state. Meanwhile, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is traveling to Brazil today to lay the symbolic foundation stone of a Palestinian embassy in Brasilia. On Saturday, Abbas is due to attend the inauguration of Brazil’s new president, Dilma Rousseff.

10th Honduran Journalist Killed this Year

In Honduras, gunmen shot and killed a radio journalist named Henry Suazo on Monday. Suazo became the 10th journalist killed this year in
Honduras, making Honduras the most dangerous place for journalists on a per capita basis.

Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on December 19, 2010 at 12:23pm

DADT and the Liberal support for militarism.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell and the Liberal Militarist Diversion

"What remains unaddressed by critics... is the direct link between the rhetoric of the movement in favor of the repeal of DADT and the intensification of U.S. military involvement in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Even a brief consideration of the claims made by Choi and his fellow activists makes it clear that the campaign in favor of the repeal depends on an uncritical acceptance of U.S. militarism and military culture. ... what you will not hear in the statements by Choi is any reference to the oppression of foreign civilian populations at the hands of U.S. soldiers like himself. In fact, Choi has openly expressed his desire to redeploy to Iraq if reinstated in the Army. "  -

quote from the 60's anti war movement:
"What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
(source unknown)

posted by Gary



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