Lord of the Rings Atheists


Lord of the Rings Atheists

As the group name implies, a place for atheists who love Middle Earth and things Tolkien to congregate, make friends and have discussions. I will have more to add here later.

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Letters from the Undying Lands?

Started by Gwaithmir. Last reply by Gwaithmir Oct 21, 2014. 2 Replies

Series: Arda Musings by Karl W. Ploran (writing as Karlmir Stonewain) Valinor/Middle Earth Communications Those of you who have been reading Arwen’s Journey will notice a chapter in which King…Continue

Christians Boycott the Hobbit Movie

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Gwaithmir Oct 20, 2014. 11 Replies


Review or discuss The Hobbit.

Started by Gwaithmir. Last reply by Gwaithmir Jan 28, 2014. 10 Replies

The Hobbit began playing in most theaters last week. Please post your reviews and comments on the film or start a discussion here.Continue

Tags: Tolkien, Rings, the, of, Lord

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy: Top 30 Moments

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Gwaithmir Apr 8, 2013. 4 Replies

THE JOURNEY ENDSI’ve counted down the 10 best moments of The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers & The Return of the King.  In Part 4 of this series, we find out where each of these rank in…Continue

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Comment by Gwaithmir on July 15, 2011 at 9:33am
Keith, as a religious conservative, Sauron would have to plug Erú Ilúvatar, not Yahweh or Jesus Christ. After all, The Silmarillion is the true bible. Everything else is heresy.
Comment by Gwaithmir on July 15, 2011 at 9:26am
In response to your query, Steph, I have the Platinum Edition of Lord of the Rings. In addition to the three hours of extra footage, there are also several hours of documentaries and outtakes made during and after filming, including commentaries by the actors and some of the production personnel. I have gone on a number of Lord of the Rings marathons, watching the entire collection over the course of a week.
Comment by Keith Lowell Jensen on July 14, 2011 at 2:38pm

A "Sauron for GOP" page I made on facebook. Enjoy!
Comment by Cassi on January 21, 2011 at 2:58pm
Ah, seriously? This group makes me extremely happy. <3 Lotr is quite awesome, though I've only read the first two books.
Comment by Jens Gustafsson on January 15, 2011 at 3:29am

Greetings from Sweden,


Wanted to say hello. I am a member of The Tolkien Society Forodrim, so you can say that I am a bit of a fan of Middle Earth. :)




Comment by 1311 on January 10, 2011 at 1:33pm
I just wanted to let you all know (if you don't already) the following news about The Hobbit. Here is the link:


Comment by Gwaithmir on November 21, 2010 at 7:39am
Hey, Tom! (moT)

You'd have to be an Elf or Goblin first, because that's what Orcs were, originally. Thanks for commenting and joining the group!
Comment by suzanne Buzz on July 13, 2010 at 8:29pm
I agree you don't want a good story to ever end. I still am upset that the harry potter series is over with. I haven't read the last book because I still want something to look forward too:) I love middle earth stories a lot. Tolkien was a very talented author. I enjoyed reading your post a lot.
Comment by Gwaithmir on June 16, 2010 at 7:42am
Pax Gondoria by Gwaithmir (writing as Karlmir Stonewain)

Summary: Why I write Lord of the Rings fan fiction.

Disclaimer: This is an essay about fan fiction based on the world and characters created by J.R.R. Tolkien. It is written solely for the enjoyment of my readers and I make no profit from it of any kind.

This essay was originally posted on www.lotrfanfiction.com

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This essay will probably be somewhat of a ramble. It’s been forty years since I wrote my college engineering thesis, so please bear with me. First of all, I never intended to embark on a project of writing LotR fan fiction. This whole thing started as a series of conversations with some of my friends on the probable history of the Reunited Kingdom during the decades following the War of the Ring.

The topics of these round robin discussions involved several issues: How was the Pelennor cleaned up so quickly after a battle as big as Gettysburg? How long did it take to rebuild Minas Tirith after the War of the Ring? What economic, political and social reforms would Elessar have instituted? What public works projects would have been launched to boost the economy and improve life for the country’s citizens? Who was going to pay for it all? Would Arwen play a passive or active role in Elessar’s reconstruction plans and administration?

I did not initially intend to write Arwen’s Journey. This project really started out as a brief scholarly essay to address some of the above questions. That was the real challenge I had originally proposed for myself. Therefore, in late November, 2005 I sat down at my PC and started to type my thesis, Pax Gondoria: Middle Earth at the Dawn of the Fourth Age. I know it should have been more like Sîdh en Gondor, but I didn’t know anything about Sindarin Elvish at the time.

Halfway through the first page and a mass of reference material, however, I suddenly found myself asking, “Who’s going to give a flying rat’s ass about a scholarly essay?” Most of my friends had only a passing interest in LotR via the movies. None of them had ever read the novels or knew anything about Middle Earth. Their eagerness to read history books in general was also somewhat in doubt. The last thing I wanted to do was write a paper for their perusal which Mark Twain would have likely described as, “...chloroform in print.”

“A short story,” I mused, staring at the keyboard, “using my essay as a backdrop. That’ll get their attention! This will be a brief work of historical fiction in which the issues we discussed will be plausibly addressed through the characters’ dialog and the situations they encounter.”

Usually, in narrations like this, you get an image of some guy in front of a typewriter, pulling out the half finished page in a flash of inspiration and hastily inserting a fresh sheet. In this case, however (Thank goodness for word processors), all I had to do was send the cursor back to the top and rewrite the title: A Day in Minas Tirith. Sound familiar? For those of you reading my novel, you now know that I actually started it somewhere in the middle, although I wasn’t aware of this at the time.

Things were supposed to be rather straightforward from there. Elessar’s policies, governmental reforms and building projects were to be revealed in his daily activities and correspondence. Ditto for Arwen. Then something strange happened. Aragorn decided to send his wife on a trade mission. I don’t know how it happened, it just did. Aragorn acted on his own!

Another odd occurrence soon followed. I wasn’t sure about the spelling of some characters’ names or their backgrounds, so I started reading the novels for the third time. Midway through Arwen’s trip preparations, I stumbled across the brief history of Evenstar and Aragorn in the appendix of The Return of the King. As I read it to the end, I began to picture Liv Tyler’s exquisite portrayal of Queen Undómiel mourning before the King’s sarcophagus, then her departure to Lothlórien where she died of a broken heart. Then my world changed. Suddenly, I was in love with Arwen Evenstar.

Alright! I can already hear all of you fangirls snickering and giggling out there──but that’s what really happened! Don’t try to tell me that over half of you aren’t in love with Legolas, Aragorn or Faramir. All I have to do is look at the pen names you’ve chosen and the stories you’ve posted. I have just as much a right to become enamored with a fictional character as you do. Ah! But I digress.

In a flash, my mission had changed. As the story rapidly expanded in either direction from its starting point, it became apparent that I was no longer writing a short story. This was turning into a full-length novel. It was also apparent that it was revolving around my favorite character, Arwen Evenstar. By the end of December, I had changed the title to Arwen’s Journey: A Tale of Middle Earth.

But what of my original purpose in starting the project? Had I abandoned it? Not at all. The changes I imagined would take place during Elessar’s reign are scattered throughout the story.

Ancient Rome has been one of my serious interests for decades. I’ve amassed and read about a hundred books on the subject. I view King Elessar very like the young Augustus. Both men came to rule over empires which had been torn by strife for centuries. They faced the tasks of instituting political reforms while working to rebuild local economies and promote public building projects. As Augustus had his Livia, so did Elessar have his Evenstar. Both women would be partners in their husbands’ labors.

By November of 2006, I had written about four-hundred pages and created a cast of about forty original characters. Arwen’s Journey had, by then, become a full-blown adventure story. Yet, my original purpose was still there: namely, to show the many changes taking place in Middle Earth after the war.

I’ve heard from more than one quarter that one of the biggest reasons people write fan fiction is that they can’t bear to have the story end. “The road goes ever onward,” is a phrase that I’ve heard numerous times along the Tolkien trail. I won’t deny that I share the same feeling. Even though my novel already has an ending, I’ve already written two short stories based on Arwen’s Journey and have two or three more in the planning stages. So you see, the road does go ever onward, sometimes all by itself with little or no encouragement on our parts.

Of course, a wish for recognition was also a motive for writing. I’ve dabbled in fan fiction several times since I was in grade school, but always for a rather small audience of one or two friends. During the 1990’s I began a novella (never completed) about WWI, as well as a series of fan fics (AU) based on the TV series La Femme Nikita. These were read by about a dozen people at the shop were I worked. Their reactions were split between those thinking I was a talented writer to those thinking I was a weirdo with a mental problem. You can’t win them all!

It wasn’t until about a year ago that I heard the term ‘fan fiction’ and that there are websites for its devotees. About a month later, I got a new PC with internet capabilities and discovered Adoralyna’s website (www.lotrfanfiction.com). It still took a couple of months to go from DOS to Windows Word before I could even think about posting my story. I won’t go into the many problems a complete PC tyro like myself encountered getting that first chapter posted. My hat’s off to Adoralyna for her patience with all the questions I Emailed to her.

So, am I achieving my goals in writing LotR fan fiction? Arwen’s Journey, hasn’t generated the attention I hoped it would, but there appear to be at least two dozen readers who seem determined to follow the story to the end. That alone is compliment enough. Plus, I’m still telling the story the way I want to and having a lot of fun in the process, which is most important. The spin-off short stories were a pleasant diversion too.

The greatest reward that I’ve received from my stories is gaining new friends, something that I never dreamed of when starting this project. Three readers now exchange Email letters with me on a regular basis. The most supportive is Spiced Wine whose knowledge of Elvish culture and Middle Earth lore has been a much appreciated boon. Thanks again, Siân!

Will the road go ever onward for Karlmir Stonewain’s tales of Middle Earth? Well, it will have to end someday──but not just yet.

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