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Native American Atheists

For anyone with native american ancestors, and those who love the native people.

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Culture and Sexuality

Started by Blade Of The Bunny. Last reply by Pow wow Prancer Sep 17. 4 Replies

I am struggling with an issue that others may have dealt with. I have posted this in other forum but wanted to cover any areas that may be related. I apologize if you read this on another page. I'm…Continue

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Our History Is Being Defined By The Superstitions Of Our Ancestors

Started by Ajita Kamal. Last reply by TNT666 Feb 21, 2013. 5 Replies

Greetings everyone! Let me preface this by making it clear that I'm not Native American. I am an Indian, from India. And no, that's not 'East Indian', it's just Indian, the ignorance of a certain…Continue

Death of YouTube Atheism?

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Zuni witch defense doesn't fly, jury convicts Edaakie of murder

Started by Rogi Equality Riverstone Oct 22, 2011. 0 Replies

Zuni witch defense doesn't fly, jury convicts Edaakie of murderby Gallup Herald on Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 12:14pmby Joseph J. Kolb     …Continue

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Comment by Philip Jackson Armstrong on July 18, 2011 at 6:15pm

 

 In 1863 my 6 to 8 year old grand father, who was a captive of the Utes in Colorado, was given to missionaries when the US made a treaty with the Utes. The missionaries named him William Armstrong because of his red hair and because he no longer knew his birth name. He was taken back to Michigan but when he was old enough he headed back to the west and married my great grand mother, a full blooded Black Foot medicine woman. Strangely, I am a social nihilist, I cannot be part of the herd things people do, like going to a sports event and cheering for a team. But when I go to pow wows I feel torn because I want to belong but I can't. Got blond hair. One of the most strange things that ever happened to me, I have a CD of Native songs. The night I got it, I put it on as I was going to sleep. I have a severe sleep disorder which could explain it, but as I went to sleep I was listening to this song that totally moved me. I got up the next day and could NOT get it out of my head. When I got home that evening I went through the CD over and over. The song wasn't on it.  That was over 10 years ago and I still hear it when I need it. I have never told anyone that I know that because for some reason it seems that the song is only for me.   

Comment by Kevin Ray Smith on March 19, 2011 at 4:05am

@ Blade of the Bunny, that is one of the reasons that I started this group. I have met many other NDNs that are atheists but many are reluctant to be open about it. I have Cherokee and Fox in my blood and it is always nice to meet others NDNs who are atheists as well. It is also nice to meet those who love NDNs(hope ya don't mind if I use that). I am happy to see that this group is growing.

Comment by TNT666 on March 7, 2011 at 4:04am
I'd like to see the definition of Thanksgiving reclaimed. I like the non-pilgrim aspects of it, the land an fertility and harvest aspects.
Comment by Jedi Wanderer on March 7, 2011 at 12:33am
@Hanna: Geez we're probably related. I was born in Houston. But probably everyone there has some Cherokee in their blood. I guess that's one way to destroy a people - breeding them out.
Comment by Blade Of The Bunny on February 24, 2011 at 8:57pm

I'm pleased this group exists. I'm what's considered full blood, comprised of five known tribes. Choctaw, Hupa, Chickasaw, Yurok, and Chimariko. 

 

I did a google search sometime back for NDNs and atheist and nothing came up so I'm glad to no longer be "the only one."

 

I look forward to seeing the group grow and see what discussions arise from this.

Comment by Jim DePaulo on February 2, 2011 at 9:01pm

Frog said, "
"I like the Canadian approach, with their 'First Nations.' "
How about the "Founding People" or "Founding Nations"?
@ Jack, You are right about the paucity of information in American history covering the indigenous nations.
What is taught is a crude caricature fostered by the entertainment industry's plot themes of “good guys – bad guys” conflict (guess who gets to be the bad guys). Unfortunately most history teachers have little or no knowledge of the histories and cultures that evolved over 12,000+ years before the Euro – trash showed up.
The best book I've read on pre-Columbian history is 1491 by Charles Mann, it's well written and extremely well documented and it's material that one certainly never heard in their American history classes.

Comment by TNT666 on January 25, 2011 at 3:33pm

Well, until I get a genetic trace on my blood I can't be sure, but most of us with "Acadien" ancestry have some Mi'kmaq genes. I too like the distinction of First Nations. The word 'native' is so vague and not much more inspiring than 'indian' or 'savage' or 'indigenous'. Now that I live in a circumpolar region, where we hold circumpolar athletic competitions, I am always fascinated by the strong linkages between all these Inuit people who speak nearly the same language and practice similar sports and look so alike, beyond such vast international borders. Whitehorse, where I live presently, is at the extreme Southern limits of Dene peoples, which are also culturally distinct from other First Nations.

 

My roommate last year was guy born in Carcross, but his mother was an alcoholic and he was removed from his family and adopted by an Albertan Family and raised as a dark white kid who knew nothing of his past. He only finally met his biological family a couple of years ago. It's not always easy tho, to associate back to a different culture, when you're raised in a totally middle class "white bread" Christian family.

Comment by Jack Ryan on January 24, 2011 at 2:56pm

@Wanderer

Most of the native nations of Europe were assimilated long before the Vikings discovered Amerika. Almost 60% of the europeans descent from former germanic tribes like the Francs, Saxons, Angles, Lombards, Geats, or the very Vikings. The Vikings lived more in the southern parts of Scandinavia while the Sámi inhabit the arctic and sub-arctic regions. If Europe would have been conquered within a short period of time, the people been banished and pened up in reservations or even killed in mass like what's been done in Amerika, it would be well known I'm sure. In fact that's the case. Maybe barely known in the US, but it's history subject matter in schools here. The Roman Empire called the germanic peoples barbarians and savages. Maybe the movie Gladiator rings a bell?

 

If you're interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_people

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples

 

 

@The ]3ig ]3lue Frog

I like the Canadian approach, with their "First Nations." - me too

Comment by The Big Blue Frog on January 24, 2011 at 10:39am

Jack brings up a good point. Maybe we could change the name of the group to "Indigenous Peoples" or something like that?

 

I know that some American Indians do not like the term "Native Americans any more than "American Indians." Some actually prefer the latter, feeling that it has a historical context that is more positive than "native" which conjures images of bare-breasted savages.

 

I like the Canadian approach, with their "First Nations."

Comment by Jedi Wanderer on January 23, 2011 at 6:55pm
Wow, it never even occurred to me that there might be natives of lands other than the New World or Australia. Certainly you never hear about natives of European countries. Your people must have been displaced long before those of the New World. I am no history expert, but weren't Vikings in Scandinavia for a very long time?
 

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