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Comment by Alice on January 10, 2012 at 6:33pm
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Comment by Richard Lawrence on August 19, 2011 at 12:09pm

A good article on the genetic basis of intelligence:

Comment by John Grow on August 17, 2011 at 8:13pm
Alexa--I hear you. I go through a similar song & dance with people. For myself, 12-step didn't work. Even though the "higher power" in the meetings was nice and amorphous, the "big book" really was not. Around here I haven't found any atheist meetings, save for Rational Recovery--which did more for my coming to terms with all that stuff. Anyway, peace to you, and you should come to AZ again!
Comment by alexa penzner on August 17, 2011 at 7:39pm
jeez !!!!! to try and convert anyone to my ideas, that is - argh! shy= why i really should remember to check my stuff.
Comment by alexa penzner on August 17, 2011 at 7:37pm
john - i guess i'm at an age where i really don't care that other people have weird ideas - i'm not the type to try and convert to anything. i just don't bother with a person like that. shy i am saying this, i don't know. it just came up from you're mentioning the saved stupidity. i went to an atheists' AA meeting here in nyc for a while - didn't really need it, but i met my best friend there. it wasn't really a good group tho. i also just met someone the other day and told her about something or another being atheist and she got very quiet. i reassured her about myself, not wishing to make an enemy where we had to be together, but that's different than a real chum. ok. i'll stop now. (i love Arizona :)
Comment by John Grow on August 16, 2011 at 9:33pm
@Alexa--It still carries the stink of supposed immorality. There are a lot of people who think of it as a behavioral and moral issue. Part of the reason AA/NA/what have you have the allure they do: Fulfilling the "need to be saved" that Christians adore.
Comment by alexa penzner on August 16, 2011 at 8:11pm
Fred - the photo on your page - love him - what a great comedian he is :]
Comment by alexa penzner on August 16, 2011 at 7:37pm
i didn't realize they didn't think that way before.  everyone knows it's a brain chemistry problem whom i know. maybe now it's official or something.  :]
Comment by Richard Lawrence on August 15, 2011 at 3:39pm


Interesting article on the causes of addiction.


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