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Hello to all our new (and old) members! We'd love to hear from you; please take the time to introduce yourself either on the forum or the wall.

Feel free to discuss the books you're reading at the moment, your favorite authors or works, and so on. I'm sure everyone has a book they think others here might find interesting!

Also, don't forget to check out the page Books by A|N Members Who are Published Authors, located just under the members section on your right.

Books of Interest to Atheists and Skeptics
Breaking The Spell by Daniel Dennett
A Devil's Chaplain, by Richard Dawkins
The End of Faith, by Sam Harris
The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins
God is Not Great, by Christopher Hitchens
Godless, by Dan Barker
Letter to a Christian Nation, by Sam Harris
Why I am not a Christian, by Bertrand Russell

Sites for Bibliotaphs
The Internet Archive
Project Gutenburg

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Comment by Craig A. James on February 27, 2011 at 11:08am

Tony - I just got a chance to read your article on the Cosmological argument and enjoyed it a great deal.  You have a natural, easy-to-read style and yet you present the argument clearly and concisely.


One interesting fact that I've never heard anyone argue is that things happen all the time for no reason.  At the atomic level, nearly everything that happens is for no cause.  Nuclear decay is the prime example that most are familiar with, but the truth is that everything at the quantum scale is random and imprecise. Not just sort of random, or "we don't know the cause but there is one," but truly random.  When an electron tunnels through a Josephson junction, it's truly random.


The problem of the cosomological argument is exactly parallel to quantum mechanics.  We try to take our everyday experiences and concepts and apply them to realms where they don't apply. At the scales of time and space where humans acquire their "common sense", everything has a cause.  But it's a mistake to extrapolate this rule to the beginnings of the universe, just as it's a mistake to extrapolate this rule to the quantum-mechanical realm.


In your essay you mention that there was only one beginning of the universe so we can't make a rule about it.  But there are other areas where the cause-and-effect rule is clearly wrong.

Comment by Stephen Goldin on February 26, 2011 at 7:48pm
My satirical fantasy book Polly! ( just got a wonderful review at the blog Great Books Under $5 ( One of the best parts about the review is the fact that my atheism is a crucial (positive) factor in it.

And I have to brag about the closing paragraph: "Polly is the kind of book aspiring writers should read just to study the craft. Goldin’s writing is fastidious. And he seemingly has the gift (Would that be a theological term?) of calling on everything he knows from the silly to the profound to create a story that starts out being entertaining and winds up being interesting, even thought-provoking."
Comment by Tony Davis on February 24, 2011 at 5:12pm

Johno - Thanks.  I will definitely take a look at your stuff and at least try to use it in my book.  Without even looking at your info yet (but I will) I admit there was a lot more I should have said.  I am just VERY limited in how long my articles can be on there and I am already blowing that out of the water on every article so far.


One thing I am doing though is writing long articles, for my book, then cutting away as much as possible for the Examiner articles.  Then, I go back to the book and try to flesh it out more with ideas I get from folks like you.


Thanks again!  After I've had a chance to take a look at your essay and videos I'll get back with you.




Comment by Johnny P on February 24, 2011 at 3:49pm
tony, i have written an essay broadly on this argument. i think you have missed out a really strong philosophical critique in the form of realism vs nominalism / conceptualism. this undermines the entire argument. see my essay here:

i have also got 2 vids on youtube explaining it, and they are my most popular ones, so i must be doing something right!!! i really think you should include something about these and other points. otherwise, as good an article as ever!



Comment by Tony Davis on February 24, 2011 at 2:52pm

I've been lazy for the past month (but hey, I retired, I am entitled lol) and have only just now gotten around to publishing an article on the cosmological argument.  For any who care to take a look it is here:


As always, comments are appreciated, especially if you find an error on my part.  I'd rather be corrected that have my pride unscathed.  :-)




Comment by Aiden on February 23, 2011 at 4:41am
Comment by Joseph P on February 11, 2011 at 12:53pm

Yeah, particularly for something that freaking long, it's good to go into it forewarned.


At least I only have to deal with Thomas Aquinus's Five Proofs ... and 3 of those are the same damned things stated with barely different wording.  Then #4 is just ... silly.  It doesn't even make a logical argument, just a quick, bald assertion.  You effectively only need to deal with two arguments.

Comment by The Big Blue Frog on February 11, 2011 at 12:45pm

That's it! Thanks!


My wife's aunt is trying to save me, and she recommended ETDAV. I wanted to point out some of the flaws of the book, but I didn't want to have to reinvent the wheel.

Comment by Joseph P on February 11, 2011 at 12:27pm

Isn't there something associated with The Atheist Experience that did that?  The Iron Chariots Wiki perhaps?  I vaguely remember Russel Glasser saying that he had done that, but I'm not sure if that's where he stuck it.  And I could be remembering it incorrectly; it might have been Matt Dillahunty who did that.


Oh, here we go.  Iron Chariots linked to

That sounds like what Russel said, on The Atheist Experience, now that I think about it.


I love the name of one of the essays listed near the bottom of the page, too:

Evidence That Demands a Refund (2001) by Jeffery Jay Lowder

A review of McDowell's New Evidence That Demands a Verdict.

Comment by The Big Blue Frog on February 11, 2011 at 11:18am



I remember seeing a website that had a chapter-by-chapter refutation of Josh McDowell's Evidence That Demands A Verdict. Anyone know where I can find that?


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