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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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"No skeptic, to my knowledge, ever made a major scientific discovery or advanced the welfare of others."

-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but That's funny..." -Isaac Asimov



The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

Discussion Forum

US Distrust of Facts

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Michael Penn Oct 9. 2 Replies

Watch Out for Tricky Charts

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 12. 2 Replies

Great Lesson on Identifying Fallacies

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 8. 2 Replies

Online Game Boosts Skepticism of Fake News

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 27. 1 Reply

Facebook uses fake news outlet as fact checker

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Michael Penn Mar 11. 4 Replies

Measles

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Feb 26. 41 Replies

When Lying Sounds Like a certain kind of Honesty

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Loren Miller Jan 6. 2 Replies

Oil Sector Magical Thinking and Three Year Deadline

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 24, 2018. 2 Replies

Great Intro on avoiding mind control

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Dec 11, 2018. 3 Replies

Fear and Groupthink

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 8, 2018. 1 Reply

Mind Control Speech Pathology

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 14, 2018. 3 Replies

Slightly Sort Of Self-Delusional Climate Science

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 5, 2018. 5 Replies

Hierarchy Erodes Truth

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Oct 1, 2018. 3 Replies

GOP Embraces Blatant Lies and Deranged Role Model

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 22, 2018. 5 Replies

Truth Decay - Dire Consequences

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Sep 20, 2018. 1 Reply

Changed by the Attention Economy

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Aug 7, 2018. 15 Replies

Freedom within Atheist Nexus

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jan 9, 2018. 1 Reply

Failing to imagine systemic risks

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Jan 1, 2018. 1 Reply

Permanent Lie leads to collective psychosis

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Dec 23, 2017. 1 Reply

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Comment by Grinning Cat on Thursday

A fun little paradox: Pinocchio saying “My nose will grow now!”

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2019 at 12:24am

Something strange resonates in those who believe religious fundamentalism, in my opinion. There is an air of distress, of foreboding, of intensity, fear, perhaps. What is it I experience about fundamentalists? What does research reveal? Perhaps ,  found correlates for those who hold strong religious fundamentalist beliefs.
In Christians, it includes the belief that every word of the Bible is divinely inspired; 

In Islamists, it includes the belief that one must obey the teachings of the Koran and Islamic law. 

"One factor of religious fundamentalism, Scriptural Literalism, was found to be associated with high levels of depression and paranoia/hostility."

~ Religious Fundamentalism, Humor, and Treatment Outcomes in Individuals in Court-Mandated Substance Abuse Outpatient Treatment
DO - 10.1177/0033294116687270
JO - Psychological Reports

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 9, 2019 at 11:24pm

#Trump Bollockchinned Spunkbubble. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 9, 2019 at 11:22pm

Ruth, Cognitive Bias Codex!!!!

I got lost somewhere between "Need to Act Fast" and "Too much information!"

Comment by Patricia on October 9, 2019 at 6:23pm

Now, I wonder how they really feel?

Image result for cockwomble trump

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on August 2, 2019 at 11:46pm

Searching the Codex for paradoxical intention, deceit for a constructive purpose, is a task I will leave to someone else.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on August 2, 2019 at 10:03pm

A great overview of cognitive bias.

Cognitive Bias Codex

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on April 2, 2019 at 11:32am

“What is the remedy?” Joan asks.

Thanks, Joan, for the concern you express and for the history.

I doubt the existence of a remedy, but if we can keep the Trump-dominated GOP out of public office there is what we might call “emergency room treatment” for the most egregious ills.

There is also what we might call “genetic engineering”, the slow and steady but hard-to-see growth of employee-owned companies.

There never has been and never will be a so-called Garden of Paradise. We optimistically-named Homo Sapiens are but the present occupants of a universe unlimited in time or space.

Now, back to my other writing....

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 2, 2019 at 2:49am

"Then, in the late 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, the environmental movement began to crest. Nationally, some of the landmarks of the movement were

* the successful fight to prevent construction of the Echo Park Dam on the Green River, along the Utah-Colorado border,

*in the mid-1950s; passage of the Wilderness Act of 1964 and

*the Endangered Species Act of 1973;

*creation of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in 1969; *celebration of the first Earth Day in 1970.

In Washington state, some of the landmarks of the movement were the

*creation of Metro in Seattle and King County in

*1958 to clean up Lake Washington;

*the creation of the North Cascades National Park complex in 1968 and

*the Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area in 1986;  *cancellation of federal support, based in part on environmental concerns, for Boeing's Supersonic Transport project in 1971.

*A fascinating look at the debates over preservation vs. use of western lands and rivers, with a long section on North Cascades, is John McPhee, Encounters with the Archdruid (New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, 1971). The "archdruid" is wilderness advocate David Brower.]

In Oregon, the movement crested with the election of Tom McCall as governor in 1967 and the

*campaign to prevent in-migration of Californians to the state during the 1970s.

McCall gave voice to the new way of looking at the Northwest in 1973 by suggesting that quantitative and qualitative measurements of "success" in the Northwest might, in some circumstances, be mutually exclusive: "Unlimited and unregulated growth leads inexorably to a lowered quality of life." Most Northwesterners were not yet prepared, of course, to renounce growth altogether, so they spoke instead about "regulating" or "managing" or "limiting" it.

*But as an ethos for regional society, growth was questioned more sharply than ever before." (emphasis mine)

Spokane's Expo '74; A World's Fair for the Environment

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 2, 2019 at 2:40am

Spokane's Expo '74; A World's Fair for the Environment

"Tacoma's ASARCO Smelter, while in operation, was a symbol of both economic growth and environmental pollution. (Special Collections, University of Washington. Photo by Howard Clifford.)

"at the same time that socialists and utopians had imagined a different kind of Pacific Northwest, a new measure of fulfillment began to emerge slowly in the region and around the country, one focused more on qualitative rather than quantitative criteria and one that paid greater attention than before to the environment."

 

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