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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Patricia on March 11, 2019 at 12:32pm

Lots of good alternatives.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 11, 2019 at 10:03am

Brewing tanks instead of an altar. Nice!

Comment by Plinius on March 11, 2019 at 2:31am

church into bookshop

Afbeeldingsresultaat voor book church limburg

Comment by Grinning Cat on March 10, 2019 at 11:01pm

Also from the Friendly Atheist comments: (((Hornèd Pontilibratificus))) wrote about the challenges of keeping heating costs reasonable in high-ceilinged spaces:

There are some good techniques for combating this problem. You can use both traditional radiant heat and in-floor circulation heating, coupled with down-draft ceiling fans. All that really brings the heating costs down. ;-)

Comment by Patricia on March 10, 2019 at 10:57pm

That would be a good step.

Comment by Grinning Cat on March 10, 2019 at 10:54pm

Imagine if some of the buildings formerly used by right-wing, anti-gay churches became LGBTQ* community centers! And imagine if some of the former church buildings ended up hosting Sunday Assemblies or other inspiring, secular and humanistic, completely godless "unchurches"!

Comment by Patricia on March 10, 2019 at 10:45pm

Putting them to much better use, is a plus.

Comment by Grinning Cat on March 10, 2019 at 10:43pm

I just read about the large numbers of Canadian churches predicted to close, over at Friendly Atheist. Commenters there shared pictures of a spectacular conversion of a church building to a private house...

...and a pointer to the Church Brew Works restaurant and brewery in Pittsburgh, Pa., where the place of pride now offers a much more tangible benefit to people, in the form of brewing tanks:

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 10, 2019 at 10:11pm

There's so much horrible political and climate news, it's heartening to hear that so many Canadian churches are closing. On the other hand fake news is more than ready to take up the slack in nonsense.

Comment by Loren Miller on March 10, 2019 at 7:02pm

Churches are an anachronism.  We know that.  They are GETTING to know that.

 

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