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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on November 11, 2017 at 10:10pm

Lama Smith says geoengineering is worth exploring.

CO2-FACED

In a joint subcommittee hearing held on Wednesday, House Science, Space, and Technology Committee Chair Lamar Smith said the technology “could have positive effects on the Earth’s atmosphere” and “reduce global temperatures or pull excess greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere.”

BUT, climate change is not to be "debated" or discussed.

“The purpose of this hearing is to discuss the viability of geoengineering … The hearing is not a platform to further the debate about climate change.”

Double-Think <you think?>

(caption mine)

Let's get out some fire extinguishers, but we'll never admit there's a fire.

image source (text mine)

Comment by Grinning Cat on October 27, 2017 at 2:31pm
Comment by Grinning Cat on October 27, 2017 at 2:28pm

What if 45* said "I am lying"? That paradoxical statement would make political analysts' heads "literally" explode!

Comment by Patricia on October 27, 2017 at 12:03am

I wouldn't believe that guy if he said the sky was blue.

Comment by Grinning Cat on October 26, 2017 at 5:04pm

Heh!

And in the political realm...

[image of a newspaper issue] The National Probe / Issue: 240104 / We Decide What's News / Est. 1987 / First Edition / spiritslinger.com / [headline] TRUMP CAUGHT IN A LIE ABOUT LYING OVER LIE HE LIED OVER LYING ABOUT / Supporters Say He Was Joking / [five columns of illegible text]

Comment by Patricia on October 26, 2017 at 2:18pm

Hahahaha.....

Comment by Ian Mason on October 26, 2017 at 1:43pm

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Comment by Patricia on October 15, 2017 at 8:15pm

I was talking of my sciatica in 1998 when I ended up with the lumbar laminectomy, Joan. That's where they tried the acupuncture.

As for the hip replacement, it bloody well better help with the agony! The only trouble is......the other hip is going now too, so its going to be an on-going thing methinks.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 15, 2017 at 8:01pm

Patricia, I understand it working as much as praying. Will your coming surgery help with your pain? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 15, 2017 at 8:00pm

I hear many people with an anecdotal expression of success with acupuncture. My R.N. cousin swears by the procedure as do several of my friends. 

Acupuncture’s claims punctured: Not proven
effective for pain, not harmless
Commentary from Hall H.

Acupuncture’s claims punctured: Not proven effective for pain, not ...

I have not a clue about its effectiveness and have not wanted o try it. However, I do not to dismiss it because the medical community doesn't like it. If reliable and valid scientific procedures can give us an answer, I want to be aware of that finding, whatever it is. 

 

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