Hell for christians? Hell for all?
Posted: 13 Nov 2014 01:46 AM PST By Anne R Keye ~
Every religion is going to hell according to every other religion and denomination. When your church says
that you and only your denomination are going to be saved, be aware that the church around the corner
from yours will say that your church has it all wrong! Your church is probably [Definitely] damned to hell
and only their church and their chosen denomination has it right and is going to be saved.
It is both amazing and laughable viewing the bizarre world of christianity at war with itself.
In reality in a recent argument with a lady who was my best friend a few years ago I found myself in
a similar situation where even as a non- believer in any religion I found myself employing this.
She asked me why I just couldn't try to believe anymore. She stood on her pedestal and was quite
arrogant in her manner and she was snidely trying to hell wish me. She then tried the old “ Pascal's
Wager ” trick.
I in turn replied, "Well, what if you are wrong and what if Allah is the one true God and
what if you are worshipping the wrong prophet? Remember making Jesus equal to God is serious
blasphemy and you will be sent to hell until Allah decides to have mercy on you. So what if you are
wrong about Jesus when you should really be worshipping Mohammed"?
As you can imagine she was very shocked and upset. This was not because of what I had said so much,
but because she was of the opinion that only she could hell wish and that I would be helpless to answer
back and defend myself.
But, I had answered back and she was suddenly left empty and speechless. Someone had the audacity
to answer her back and put her in the same predicament that she had wished upon someone else
[and their family].
And this is how easy and nasty and silly it all gets and it happens very quickly. This is because it is a
mirror. It is a mirror reflecting ignorance. Your church versus my church, your religion versus my religion.
If you are the perpetrator then I have to mirror your seeming ignorance back with mine. The mirror is
set in motion and the war begins. Hell is wished and traded back and forth from both sides.
The non believer might ask why I didn't just quote Dawkins or Peter Boghossian etc. The sad truth is
that I felt humiliated and sickened that my old friend would hell wish me and my grandchildren.
It just seemed so nasty. Only by passing the hell wishing back to her could I depart from her
countenance in peace.
I hope that in the future I will have the dignity and the anger management necessary to reply to hell
wishers with intellect, honesty, credibility and a very cool head indeed. But even as a non believer I
shamefully employed this repulsive tool. Mine’s better than yours?
Do the 7th Day Adventists really believe that the RC Church are a better church than they? Does a
protestant believe that a Buddhist will be saved? Does a Muslim believe that an anti Islamist christian
will be saved? Does a Muslim believe that a christian evangelist will be saved by placing trust in Jesus?
Do the JW's think that the Mormons are a better church than they? Are the Quakers crackers?
This ignorance is a very good tool for the churches, cults, denominations and different religions [they
are all cults really] because it means that you and I will become defensive and fearful and we will more
than likely pay into these institutions financially and with blind obedience. They all have a “Do as we
say or else” policy. Hell is a very good concept if it instills fear in an individual.
But, in the modern world this is starting to wane with the advent of google and access to credible
information [especially in Europe]. To any educated mind this is neither frightening nor logical. The
whole truth and nothing but the truth!
The truth is we are all going to hell. All of us, according to the stupidity and ignorance on display by the
many denominations, cultural differences and different religions themselves. We are all doomed, damned,
and scammed by this elusive phantom called hell.
But in reality nobody gets saved because there is nothing to get saved from and nowhere to go to to
get saved [or to be not saved]. There is nothing to fear, nothing to worry about and nothing to get
It is time to put this naughty phantom to sleep methinks!
There is no grace, there is no guilt, follow the law: Do what thou wilt.
So, do you think the Osteens and McConnells and Bachmanns of the world are good Thelemites, doing their true will?
At the risk of being declared a centre of pestilence, I shall refrain from commenting upon Unkle Al's Holy Book, Liber AL vel Legis (The Book of the Law) as best I can in addressing BB's point. No, none of the individuals you mention is doing his or her true will. They do not know it. The key to Thelema is probably Crowley's mastery of self-revelation for fun and profit. He was pansexual at a time when people went to prison ("The Ballad of Reeding Gaol") and engaging in the amoral practices the man's libido, utterly loosed and insatiable, led him to do, earning him tabloid titles such as "The Wickedest Man in the World," and put him to loss when he pled to the bench a case of defamation by a woman he once slept with. The right honorable judge told the jury that Crowley "cannot be defamed." Neither you nor I, and certainly not the three political hacks and preachers you mention, fully know our true will, much less act upon it and it alone. One of Al's heroes was Sir Richard Burton, who wrote: "Do what thy manhood bids thee do, from none but self expect applause. He noblest lives and noblest dies who makes and keeps his self-made laws."
>Do what thy manhood bids thee do, from none but self expect applause. He noblest lives and noblest dies who makes and keeps his self-made laws
All other Life is living Death,
a world where none but Phantoms dwell,
A breath, a wind, a sound, a voice,
a tinkling of the camel-bell
I love The Kasidah. Picked up a copy in Stockholm in 1976.
de Profundis comes to mind as well.
No worries, James - I can think of a hell of a lot of people who would qualify to be declared centers of pestilence long before you!
All other Life is living Death, ....
Bertold, don't say that to folks who are wanting or having orgasms.
Come on now Tom, what's wrong with le petit mort?
Tooshay. (When will the French learn how to spell?)
While we're on the subject of deficiencies of the French (real or imagined), George Bush the Inferior once actually commented, in his inimitable scholarly fashion, that "The French don't even have a word for entrepreneur." He sort of goes against your paradigm of dumb Ds and asshole Rs - maybe the exception that proves the rule?
I thank the Tea Party for the dumbing-down of the Republicans, even if we have to thank them post-facto, in the case of W. Maybe he started the trend?
@Joseph - I remember some black Congressman (pre-9-11 I think) being asked an opinion on the great W. He said we all owe him a debt of gratitude for single-handedly refuting the myth of white supremacy.
A person born into a family of reasonably healthy functioning, nurses at the mother’s breast in peace and harmony. She exists as his first encounter with “other”. Father comes into sight at some later date and provides another “other”. He or she learns the laws of parents. As developmental tasks occur, he or she learns there are lots of others and not all agree with Mom and Dad. A period of trial and error, and a new law forms internally that guides him or her. At some point, the internalized law reveals itself to be inadequate to the challenges of adult daily life. He or she explores and experiments with other ideas, until a new law forms. At each developmental phase, two or more clashing ideas create cognitive dissonance, new laws form. Until, at some point, the individuals realizes that others’ laws may not be valid and a new set of laws form that are personal and self generated. That is when a child turns into an adult. Some never do.
“There is no grace, there is no guilt, follow the law: Do what thou wilt.”
Thanks for sharing this piece, Patricia. I am so glad to see you posting again.