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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Tony Heller/Steve Goddard Climate Denier on Hypertribalism

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Can psychics "connect" with a woman's nonexistent dead sister?

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Replacing Reality

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Comment by Loren Miller on May 8, 2014 at 5:49am

Joan, at the risk of sounding as though I'm indulging in woo, what Transcendental Meditation did was allow me to find my Silence ... and the fact that it delivers a rest state twice as deep as the deepest portion of a night's sleep (measured by metabolic level) didn't hurt, either.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 8, 2014 at 12:05am

Loren, I wasn't trained in TM although I did take part in some workshops. I am sure that there are many ways to calm one's anxieties. Thankfully, you had the procedures to sustain you.

You stated, "it allowed me to settle and keep my head in times when trying to do so was not a whole lot of fun."

I think I understand what you mean; something to hold onto when the ground upon which one stands shakes. 

Comment by Plinius on May 7, 2014 at 11:57pm

Call it TM, meditation, mindfulness or whatever: learning to look at yourself and how you act is a great first step to helping yourself. I think every good course - whatever the subject - has something of it.

Comment by Grinning Cat on May 7, 2014 at 3:14pm

Some truth in advertising: correctly used quotation marks on a homeopathic medicine! 'These “Uses” have not been evaluated by the FDA.'

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 7, 2014 at 1:47pm

Yes, For quite a few years, I believed Jesus and Lucifer were brothers.

Of course, I still think they are alike in at least one aspect.  They are both imaginary.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 7, 2014 at 1:44pm

Yes Joan.

Comment by Loren Miller on May 7, 2014 at 1:36pm

Well, I HAVE done "mantra-based work" ... being that I was once (and still am, I suppose) an associate teacher of the TM technique.  No, it ain't magic, but it allowed me to settle and keep my head in times when trying to do so was not a whole lot of fun.

And if it had no other practical purpose, I could knock down hiccups with it ... Every Last Time.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 7, 2014 at 1:34pm

Michael, can you just imagine someone with ideas such as the Jesus and Lucifer being brothers, or some other ideologue getting control of the internet pipes, and pumping out their delusions? How many people would recognize the nonsense? How many would gullibly follow? How many would demand more opinions? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 7, 2014 at 1:31pm

Spud, great internet neutrality video. Very important explanations. I reposted. May I attribute it to Idaho Spud?  

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 7, 2014 at 1:24pm

Spud, very interesting report. Dealing with family violence, I found that women were able to make better decisions if they could get rid of the "static" in their minds that kept them confused and afraid. They were able to get control over feeling helpless and hopeless, avoid depression and anxiety, and learn how to function in healthy ways. By getting calm, focused, and rested, emotionally, they made better decisions in their self interest. 

I taught anger management in prison for the courts in family violence cases and the men learned how to control their anger, fears, anxieties, and resentments. They learned how to assert themselves without being bullies and how to actively listen to others. 

I also taught boys sent to boys ranches by the courts how to recognize their feelings, deal with them in more productive ways. In the family sessions, sons, mothers and fathers learned how to own their feelings, pay attention to the triggers that set them off, and how to develop a plan of action when problems or conflicts occur. 

I suppose mindfulness alone is not the answer. However, taking the whole body into mind, and the situations in which people find themselves, they were able to learn more effective and efficient ways to interact with loved ones, and ultimately, with society. 

I didn't do double blind studies, so I cannot claim statistical significance in this kind of intervention. Also, the samples were too small to be able to claim effectiveness. I do trust the conclusions of the study you cited, and realize I did far more than just meditation and mindfulness. My discipline required looking at the whole person and the matrix in which they lived. I didn't do mantra-based work. 

I am glad to read the results of the study because too often people think that all they have to do is the procedure to gain positive results or change themselves in order to solve problems and conflicts. Sometimes the individual has learned maladaptive behaviors. Sometimes the system, i.e. family or institutions of society cripple people and prevent healthy functioning. 

 

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