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"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on August 22, 2017 at 11:58am

We didn't ask our children and grandchildren for their consent, we just fucked them. Same as the priests.

Comment by tom sarbeck on August 22, 2017 at 11:38am
"Our children and grandchildren consented to the debt our federal spending gave them."

Is that a claim we Americans will deny having made?
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on August 22, 2017 at 9:29am

In case you thought the Catholics couldn't go any lower . . . 

Catholic Church Claims Child Sex Abuse Victims ‘Consented’

Progressive Secular Humanist

  • To avoid compensating child sex abuse victims in the U.K., the Catholic Church claims victims “consented” to being raped and sexually abused by Catholic clergy.
  • In a deplorable but not surprising revelation the Catholic Church in the U.K. has been caught exploiting a legal loophole to deny child victims of sexual abuse compensation for their suffering at the hands of Catholic clergy.
  • According to multiple reports, the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme, a government agency, has denied children raped and assaulted by Catholic clergy financial settlements because the victims are said to have “consented” to their abuse.
  • In the U.K. children under the age of 16 cannot legally consent to sexual activity. However, in a move favorable to the financial interests of the Catholic Church, the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme is using a different set of criteria to decide whether victims are eligible for compensation.

There are no words for the depths these vile scumbags will sink to.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 16, 2017 at 10:57am

Nonsense creating evil.

Comment by Loren Miller on August 16, 2017 at 9:52am

[wry, sad chuckle] Yeah.  Molte grazie, bro.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on August 16, 2017 at 9:50am

". . . about the infinite perfidy of the Catholic Church." (Fixed it for you)

Comment by Loren Miller on August 16, 2017 at 9:47am

Damn.  Yet another disturbing story, broken by the Boston Globe "Spotlight" team, about the perfidy of the Catholic Church and the less than holy behavior of its priests.  And Michael Rezendez once again, leading the charge.  The man deserves a Pulitzer.

Thank you for posting that, Bertold.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on August 16, 2017 at 9:05am

Children of Catholic priests live with secrets and sorrow


Boston Globe

Comment by Randall Smith on July 30, 2017 at 7:41am

Oh, how I miss Calvin and Hobbes! Thanks, Joan.

Comment by tom sarbeck on July 29, 2017 at 5:03pm
I have many collections of Calvin and Hobbes strips and reread them every few years.
 

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