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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Patricia on October 7, 2018 at 1:55pm

Long past time for big changes.

Comment by Loren Miller on October 7, 2018 at 1:47pm

Patricia, anyone with even a reasonable degree of empathy can get what it means to be attacked or theatened, whether sexually or otherwise.  For myself, I know of at least two such people in my own life who have experienced such attacks, and I am enraged that it happened to them, because of their place in my life.

The thing is, I find that I would be enraged at any such action anyway, because of the utter presumption taken by those who do such things, that they are somehow entitled to access to another person's body, regardless of consent.  And I can't help but note that this is at least in part the product of the biblical attitude that treats women as chattel and men as blameless in matters of sexual usury.  Yet another reason to evict religious "morals" from human society.

Comment by Patricia on October 7, 2018 at 1:39pm

It is Michael, but I also figure the more we speak up & spread these things around, maybe somebody will begin to take note.

Comment by Michael Penn on October 7, 2018 at 1:33pm

Patricia, I agree with your permitted post on  rape from your friend except that old white men in politics will never get this at all unless it comes home to roost at their own front door. In todays Trumpian World the blame will then be put on someone else. The message sent to the koolaid drinkers right now is to tell your sons that some woman is waiting somewhere to ruin them. Apparently there is no message for the daughters except to obey men. How sad.

Comment by Patricia on October 7, 2018 at 12:32pm

I have permission to post this from a friend who wishes to remain anonymous...….

As a women who had a child via rape I think I understand sexual assault victims more than any old white man in politics.
1. A child via rape is not a gift.
2. A women's body does not shut down during a rape.
3. A women is unable to get away from her attacker or overpower her attacker should just sit back and enjoy it. WRONG!!
4. It is difficult to scream with your mouth covered, a knife or gun to your head, or just the sheer terror.
5. I truly hope you or someone you love are never raped, even the idiots who talk stupid about sexual assault.
6. If you or someone you know is raped, be gentle with them, help them get the help they will need.
7. Don't shame a rape victims.
8. Most importantly, BELIEVE them!!!!.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 10, 2018 at 2:25am

Patricia, right on!, "Nonsense, people will buy anything...!"

Bertold, Indubitably!, Religion causes blindness, death, and war!"

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on September 8, 2018 at 11:11pm

Good ones, Patricia and Bertold!

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 8, 2018 at 3:47pm

Yes, Saved Bertold's also.

Comment by Patricia on September 8, 2018 at 3:35pm

Thought it was rather well put myself, Spud.

Good one, Bertold.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 8, 2018 at 2:45pm

Saving that one, Patricia.  

 

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