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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by sacha on January 4, 2010 at 4:01pm
I'm with Dallas on that one. I'm extremely specific in what I want and will not settle for less. I do not have any issue with others having more than one partner, it's just not for me.
Comment by Bryanderthal on January 4, 2010 at 3:16pm
I do miss Austin...
Comment by sacha on January 4, 2010 at 2:43pm
thank you.
Comment by sacha on January 4, 2010 at 2:33pm
Dallas, if I read that, I will vomit.
Comment by sacha on January 4, 2010 at 2:23pm
Comment by Ida on January 4, 2010 at 2:12pm
"You automatically assumed that I was an an antivaxxer jackass and would love to be in touch with the assholes from Felch's chats."

Sorry for being so vague then...
Comment by Bryanderthal on January 4, 2010 at 1:40pm
Yeah, sorry Ida. I probably should have just gone to bed and responded in the morning. I was a little grumpy.

Still, if you would have followed my earlier comment you could have easily found the article that I was referring to. It is another debunking of antivaxxers by Harriet Hall, advisor to Quackwatch. It was an unfounded comment. You automatically assumed that I was an an antivaxxer jackass and would love to be in touch with the assholes from Felch's chats. At least that's what i got out of it. If that is not what you meant then please try not to be so vague.

I understand fully about long and colorful histories with vax stuff; I've been dealing with it since 1998, when Ida was 6-9... that's what your age has to do with it. No, your age doesn't suggest much of anything else. As a matter of fact I find it admirable that you are here at such a young age. That was just a grumpy, tired, asshat statement. My apologies.

So, moving right along; any of you live in Texas?
Comment by Ida on January 4, 2010 at 4:24am
@ Bryan

When I said 'you', I was talking to Felch. I hadn't refreshed the page to see your comment, otherwise, I would have started the comment with an indicator that it was a reply to Felch.

I don't think my comment was an unfounded judgment since you left a little comment earlier about vaccines...

I also don't see why my age should suggest much of anything.
Comment by Bryanderthal on January 4, 2010 at 3:48am
Huh?

I know it's late and I'm pretty tired and my subtle sarcasm might have either been lost on you or not really funny at all but.... what?

Who is "you?" And which people did he "allude" to (birthers/truthers)? I think he named everybody quite clearly and distinctly although I have only browsed the article and haven't read every word yet.

The first person he "alludes" to is Aldous Huxley. How do you suggest that I get in contact with him? The second was Helen Ukpabio; do you even know who that is? I mean, without Googling her right now...

But, like I "alluded" to; I haven't even read it yet. At least give me a chance to do that first and make comments on the article before you accuse me of liking a scenario that would only be half plausible AFTER reading it.

I will accept your apology in advance though. I see from your profile that you are 18-21 and very ecstatic about getting your ps3. This combination could account for your rash comment and unfounded judgment and enhanced with your lack of evidence gathering.... G'night.
Comment by Ida on January 4, 2010 at 3:23am
I think Bryan might like it even more if he actually was in contact with these very people you alluded to in the article before they left the site.
 

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