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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by sacha on February 25, 2010 at 11:17am
quote of the day:

"I think Felch has us Americans about right. Part of our charm is how we are so appalling, yet so easily appalled. We are a vastly amusing train wreck of a culture, which inevitably produces flashes of brilliance due to the high-energy physics involved in the ongoing collision. The US is the Large Hadron Collider of culture. Me, I'm betting that the microscopic black holes we produce will destroy the world. But it'll be fun to watch."

-Jason Spicer
Comment by sacha on February 24, 2010 at 11:28pm
I adore that video - Daniel, please post it in the No Nonsense video arsenal so it will not get lost.

cheers
Comment by Kandy Haldeman on February 24, 2010 at 9:53pm
Saw this on Unreasonable Faith - too awesome not to see again and share!
Comment by Daniel W on February 24, 2010 at 9:48pm
Forgive me if this was posted before. I went through about 20 pages of comments and didn't find it. Too funny not to share.

Comment by JayBarti on February 24, 2010 at 7:41pm
The creationists don't invoke quantum much because it isn't in the bible. But yes invoking quantum is the new god of the gaps for new age types.
Comment by Kandy Haldeman on February 24, 2010 at 6:43pm
I found the following article on BBC.com: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8211925.stm referencing the fact that WHO has condemned recommendations, esp. in Third World Countries, that it can be used for HIV, malaria, and even diarrhea. Then, I followed a link to the Society of Homeopaths from that article, and the simple explanation of what it is. They admit they "aren't sure" how it works, but now invoke Quantum Mechanics - is this the new strategy for avoiding standard scientific evaluation of pseudosciences? Has anyone else noticed this? I have seen the creationists mention it...
Comment by sacha on February 24, 2010 at 1:49pm
quote of the day:

"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do so."

-Bertrand Russell
Comment by sacha on February 24, 2010 at 10:11am
@Susan

I'm not sure would call that "communicating" - sounds like talking to a blow-up doll.
Comment by Susan Stanko on February 23, 2010 at 11:25pm
I have actually communicated with people who didn't understand why I would point out the tabloid sources that they used.
Comment by sacha on February 23, 2010 at 10:28pm
The majority of people read them over broadsheets because the majority of people do not want to have to think. Sad state of affairs.
 

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