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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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tRump incoherent babbling

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Bullshit

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Hell for christians? Hell for all?

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Comment by Joseph P on September 15, 2016 at 9:54pm

Well, there's Titus Flavius Josephus ... who was born after the supposed death and resurrection of the guy in question ... who wrote the volumes that contain the applicable passages 60 years after the supposed events ... the applicable passages then being fraudulently altered by later Christians, if not wholly inserted.

And this is the apologists' #1 go-to passage.  Excuse me if I'm not impressed.

Comment by Loren Miller on September 15, 2016 at 6:32am

Two words: Independent Witnesses – someone outside the circle, without any skin in the argument and who actually bothered to write something down about what they saw.  If there were such a thing, it would go a long way toward giving the Christers some credibility.

Problem is: there are none.

Comment by tom sarbeck on September 15, 2016 at 6:25am

Michael, you don't hear them?

Get thee to an otologist.

Comment by Michael Penn on September 14, 2016 at 7:18pm

The biblical god (as Jesus resurrected) showed himself to many people and according to Paul, even 500 people at one time. Do we see that happen today? No. It wasn't an issue of "faith" back then so why is it now? Why does god never do anything? Is it because gods are imaginary?

That must be the answer. Prove to me that gods are trying to communicate with mankind.

Comment by Grinning Cat on September 14, 2016 at 7:10pm

A powerful, beneficent god could dramatically increase people's faith in him by actually doing something unmistakable and positive in response to Pope Francis's day of prayer. Imagine if all victims' trauma magically disappeared... (optionally, if all abusers were unquestionably divinely smited!)... and if nobody, clergy or not, abused or trafficked a child ever again! That would make news, as the number of reported cases worldwide fell instantly to zero!

Comment by Loren Miller on September 14, 2016 at 4:05pm

Merde!  Like prayer is going to do squat for those poor kids.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 14, 2016 at 3:59pm

Maybe they get a pass. The pope's infallible, but he's not perfect.

Comment by Qiana-Maieev on September 14, 2016 at 3:55pm

What about the ones who wear dresses?

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 14, 2016 at 3:51pm

Priests will be zipping up their pants all around the planet in no time.

Comment by Qiana-Maieev on September 14, 2016 at 3:49pm

WOW....can't wait!

 

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