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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Bullshit

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Misleading Public Polls

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My arguments are always valid

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The heart of anti-atheist prejudice is distrust

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Comment by Joan Denoo on July 4, 2016 at 7:12pm

How about vaseline? 

Comment by tom sarbeck on July 4, 2016 at 5:15pm

Joseph, :) I was eleven then and getting a handful of Crisco or Spry from the kitchen didn't occur to me. :) If any such lubricants were being made circa 1940, they weren't being advertised where kids would learn of them. :)

Comment by Joseph P on July 4, 2016 at 8:12am

@Tom

Holy crap, man, don't use soap.  They make lubricants that are specifically designed for that application.  Quite reasonably priced, too.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=desktop_aps_autoscope_adult_?ie=UTF8&a...

Comment by Joseph P on July 4, 2016 at 8:09am

@Bertold

Depends which exercises you're doing and what your technique is like.  Some exercise bars need to be lubricated and some don't.

Comment by Grinning Cat on July 3, 2016 at 8:14pm

"When You Touch Yourself an Angel Dies: How Your Child's Filthy Habit Is Destorying America And What You Can Do About It"

Nice parody of how fundamentalist "morans" are (hopefully) losing their sense of narrative, as well as of the decline in writing accuracy that's unfortunately also seen in scientific and other secular writing!

Comment by tom sarbeck on July 3, 2016 at 5:56pm

Thanks, Loren.

The usually reliable Urban Dictionary on my cell might have found Jeebus; it repeatedly changes poe to poet or poes to does.

Comment by Loren Miller on July 3, 2016 at 5:39pm

Poe's Law states:

“Without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.”

See also: the Landover Baptist Church.

Comment by tom sarbeck on July 3, 2016 at 5:23pm

      Does the vigorous activity involve lubricants?

I tried soap once. It irritated my urethra so I eschewed lube.

Comment by tom sarbeck on July 3, 2016 at 5:19pm

What is a 'poe'? (My 85-year-old memory is going AWOL.)

Comment by Michael Penn on July 3, 2016 at 4:35pm

When I touch myself an angel dies? Then I'll bet masturbation would kill quite a few of them. See, they are not so tough at all.

So, you teach little Bobby this nonsense and hope he will remember it when he grows up. If he did he would become atheist and get away from your religion.

 

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