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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

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The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Ubiquitous Disconnect from Reality

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Search Engine Manipulation Effect

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Tony Heller/Steve Goddard Climate Denier on Hypertribalism

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Replacing Reality

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tRump incoherent babbling

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 15. 17 Replies

Think tank really corrupt arms booster

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 14. 2 Replies

Not The Onion - Steve Moore

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jun 9. 12 Replies

Bullshit

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan May 5. 25 Replies

Hell for christians? Hell for all?

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Misleading Public Polls

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My arguments are always valid

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The heart of anti-atheist prejudice is distrust

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Idiocracy Now

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It Takes More Faith to Be an Atheist Than to Believe in God?

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Gerald Payne Aug 21, 2015. 21 Replies

Talking Nonsense as US Politcs

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A Quick Puzzle to Test Your Problem-Solving

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Spot Graphics that Lie

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Susceptibility to Bias

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Comment by Joseph P on July 3, 2016 at 12:44pm

Is ... is that an actual book?

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 3, 2016 at 12:42pm

Comment by Joseph P on June 21, 2016 at 6:35pm

I'm pretty sure that the first anti-vaccination groups started in response to Edward Jenner.

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 21, 2016 at 3:04pm

Bertold, the idea of a lottery/draft for serving as President (or other political service -- congresscritters?) is intriguing!

What would some of the consequences be?

Just off the top of my head, how many religious groups would teach that if a member is drafted, they must take orders from the pope / grand council / high panjandrum?

For another thing, it would encourage "Be fruitful and multiply and multiply and multiply" to increase the chances that someone from the One True Religion (and not all those other "One True" impostors) is drafted!

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 21, 2016 at 3:00pm

Turns out anti-vaxxers have been around for quite some time, before ex-Dr. Wakefield created the modern scare!

Gloucester smallpox epidemic, 1896 (pictures of victims) [excerpted from text] The question before us this evening is whether vaccination prevents smallpox... Gloucester was one of the towns in which the anti-vaccination agitation seemed to have produced the greatest success, and that, as in Leicester, a large proportion of children and young persons had remained unvaccinated. The law of compulsory vaccination had been allowed to fall into abeyance... When 495 cases had been chronicled, the deaths stood at 93, with only 100 complete recoveries. In the first ten weeks of the present year there were twenty-six deaths of children under ten years of age, all of whom were among the unvaccinated, whilst no vaccinated child had died.And in 1930:

Editorial cartoon: Anti-Vaccinationist blindfolded by Prejudice, hand-in-hand with a Faddist, Mr. Careless, and Anti-Everything, stepping off the cliff of Misinformation into the sea of Smallpox(h/t commenters at Friendly Atheist)

Comment by Grinning Cat on May 22, 2016 at 10:46pm

More on politics and nonsense:

If you're pissed off about food stamp fraud, which amounts to $750 million or 1% of the total spent, but don't care about the $2.1 trillion that big U.S. corporations are stashing overseas to avoid taxes [Box of 'Brain Wash' detergent] congratulations, you're a Fox 'News' viewer (Occupy Democrats)

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 21, 2016 at 9:56pm

from cheezburger

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 7, 2016 at 2:41pm

We'd actually be better off with a lottery. You lose, sucker - you're prez for the next 4 years.

Comment by Michael Penn on February 7, 2016 at 1:42pm

I'm sure we would all like an unpredictable president. Rather than follow dictates of existing law he might just do anything.

Comment by Loren Miller on February 7, 2016 at 1:40pm

Trump's position about positions is that to have no position is to have nothing to attack.  This way his followers can ascribe to him any stance they like and justify it to themselves, and if he should take office and assume a different opinion on that matter ... well, that's politics.

This isn't just the height of disrespect for the process but for the office he and the rest of the GOP clown car aspire to, and it should in no ways be tolerated.

 

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