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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Post-Truth "Reality" Tactics

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Identity-Protective Cognition and Fundamentalism

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Truthiness Trumpiness

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Internet Sabotages Sensible Communication

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Reality TV as Analgesic Doublespeak

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Ubiquitous Disconnect from Reality

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Search Engine Manipulation Effect

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Tony Heller/Steve Goddard Climate Denier on Hypertribalism

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Replacing Reality

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tRump incoherent babbling

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Think tank really corrupt arms booster

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Not The Onion - Steve Moore

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Bullshit

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Hell for christians? Hell for all?

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Misleading Public Polls

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My arguments are always valid

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The heart of anti-atheist prejudice is distrust

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Comment by Joseph P on November 17, 2016 at 1:54am

I didn't encounter any goats in the pagan groups with which I associated.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2016 at 2:45pm

Bertold, I like it,

"The lust of the goat is the bounty of God."

William Blake

If one raises rabbits, 

The lust of the buck is bounty for the breeder! 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 16, 2016 at 9:30am

This heresy might be the real reason the RCC condemned all non-procreational extra-marital sex; control of the masses was a side benefit. As William Blake put it, The lust of the goat is the bounty of God.

Comment by Joseph P on November 16, 2016 at 4:16am
According to Wicca, the sex-act is the altar.

I did mention that the Wiccans I knew were fun to hang out with, before I couldn't deal with the silliness anymore, right?  Or was that in a different group?

Comment by tom sarbeck on November 16, 2016 at 1:59am

The Divine's being present in all of us may have been the first belief that endangered early xianity's domination. In the RC schools I went to, the belief was heretical.

In the church history I read after I quit Catholicism, the gnostics said their god was inside each person. Early xianity declared it a heresy and, probably with their ally Constantine's military help, forced the gnostics to Egypt where they lingered for a while but might have survived.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2016 at 12:04am

According to Wicca, the sex-act is the altar. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 15, 2016 at 6:59pm

There was a lovely item on public radio today about a sort of "proto-Trump" as they put it. Congressman Dave Brat (sic) is the guy who beat Eric Cantor, the first time in history a sitting House Majority Leader was defeated in a primary. The magic ingredient that enabled him to pull off this coup - (surprise, surprise) immigration!

The thing that caught my attention though was the way they described his breakthrough "revelation" that perhaps inspired Trump. It was the realization that using immigration as an issue could lead Republicans to victory without capitulating to multi-culturalism. In other words, without capitulating to reality. JFC!

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 15, 2016 at 3:04pm

Excellent illustration GC.  Thanks.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 15, 2016 at 2:03pm

I experience Wicca as an inspiring discipline, much as some of the Buddhism teachings. They both got me through some dreadful times and helped keep me calm when what I wanted to do was go crazy. There are some who thought both traditions were cults. The beliefs were not nearly as cultish as Christianity. 

The Divine is present in nature; The Divine has polarity -- both male and female; The Divine is present in all of us; Celebrations are based on the turning of the earth and the cycle of the seasons; Everyone is responsible for their own actions; Harm none; 

Comment by Grinning Cat on November 15, 2016 at 1:43pm

Great illustration over at Friendly Atheist:

'evolution' on three jigsaw puzzle pieces fitting together perfectly, a DNA sequence in the background, contrasted with 'Creationism' on three mismatched puzzle pieces, an aged-looking creation story from Genesis in the background

 

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