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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Joseph P on May 29, 2015 at 6:20pm

Yup, Michael.  The Bible is pretty clear, on the abortion issue.  It's also pretty clear about slavery and homosexuality.  It's kind of funny that the only one of those issues that fundamentalists follow properly is the one about gay people, huh?

Comment by Michael Penn on May 29, 2015 at 5:04pm

I had forgotten the "test for an unfaithful wife." That does seem to clarify the matter but modern believers have their abortion priorities all wrong. In some cases it was hard to have an extra mouth to feed.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 29, 2015 at 4:10pm

Porn movies are entertaining, it's the expectations of what's next that give porn its appeal.

Comment by Joseph P on May 29, 2015 at 3:37pm

Porn movies made by men for men seem all the same but with different people.

Not so the porn movies I've seen made by women for women.

I suspect that a lot of what I get is the stuff aimed more at women.  If there's more than 5 minutes of cuddling and making out, before anyone loses the first item of clothing, the video probably isn't made with most men in mind, right?

Once an unwanted kid is born, do the bleeding hearts step up to the plate to raise him/her for the next 18 or so years?

Of course not.  That would result in big government stepping all over the rights of (rich) people.

Comment by tom sarbeck on May 29, 2015 at 12:28pm

     The problem is that the films are all the same, just with different people.

Porn movies made by men for men seem all the same but with different people.

Not so the porn movies I've seen made by women for women. For instance, Candida Royalle's almost-feature-length movies, the short made-for-tv Women: Stories of Passion stories and some of the short Red Shoe Diaries stories of the mid-1990s. The Red Shoe stories (the full-length intro and five years of shorts) are available at Amazon for their Kindle Fire devices.

Comment by sk8eycat on May 29, 2015 at 12:06pm

@ Michael - You're right.  Not only was abortion available BCE, it was legal, the necessity of it was just considered unfortunate or tragic.   

Roman women used a variant of LSD ... it was compounded by the Vestal virgins.

And women still died iin childbirth, anyway..

Comment by Joseph P on May 29, 2015 at 10:54am

Speaking of which, that's 2 Corinthians 4:18, by the way.  It speaks of the seen and unseen!  Obviously that's referring to quantum mechanics, because quantum particles are too small to be seen!

Yes, they actually make arguments like that, in professionally-published apologetics books.

Comment by Joseph P on May 29, 2015 at 10:49am

... telling her what to do because of religion, and the issue isn't even hinted at in their Buybull.

No.  No.  It's mentioned in the Bible.  The only sound arguments that you can make from the Bible are pro-abortion, though ... not pro-choice, actual pro-abortion.  You probably know what I'm referring to: The Test for an Unfaithful Wife.

When I see anti-choicers whipping out bible verses, it's always the most tenuous, unrelated bullshit, such as Jeremiah 1:5.  What the hell does that have to do with abortion?  Okay, so your god ... who wasn't even omniscient or omnipotent, at the time that book was written ... supposedly designated that fetus as a prophet.  And?

I mean Christ, even the arguments about the Bible predicting quantum mechanics are better than that.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 29, 2015 at 6:28am

Felaine, I have The Moon is a Harsh Mistress somewhere. Probably read it ~50 years ago.  When I find it, I'll read it again, with a fresh atheist perspective.

Comment by Plinius on May 29, 2015 at 5:57am

I have a similar life: quiet at home most of the time. Ans like you, I mean most to people who are ill or elderly. Or cats!

 

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