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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Plinius on May 29, 2015 at 2:35am

I noticed it too! I still have the outcast feeling too, but I often manage to make useful tools from my insecurity and fear.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 29, 2015 at 2:20am

After the death the Irish Government reviewed the stringency of the procedures. The ironic thing is the people held to account were the doctors who advised an abortion.

Comment by Plinius on May 29, 2015 at 2:18am

Yes - I'm glad not to feel alone in this, but it's really very bad. You and I know that things won't grow easy after a bad start, and it's a thing I want nobody to experience.

Comment by Plinius on May 29, 2015 at 2:02am

Yes, I know - there must be many of us.

Comment by Plinius on May 29, 2015 at 1:43am

They should realize what it is to be an unwanted child and to have to listen to your parents always telling you that you should never have been born. I managed to make something of my life after I left them, but apart from that I'd rather have been aborted.

Comment by Michael Penn on May 29, 2015 at 1:17am

On abortion the fucked up thing is that everybody is trying to have control over this woman's body, telling her what to do because of religion, and the issue isn't even hinted at in their Buybull. Then some moron pretends there were no such issues in Jesus' day, but shows apologetically how abortion is wrong.

Are you kidding me? Of course there was abortion in Jesus' day. There has always been abortion.

Comment by Joseph P on May 28, 2015 at 9:19pm

@Michael

The problem is that the films are all the same, just with different people.

Try looking into some of the more edge fetishes and stuff, man.  You'd be amazed at some of the variety out there.

If you're sticking with vanilla, heterosexual porn, you only have a handful of basic acts to engage in, though.  Or in my case, since I stick with female/female pairings (or female/female/female/female/female/female, sometimes), it works out about the same, if you allow for the addition of some toys.

I've seen a lot of variety of angles, though ... of the people, I mean, not camera angles.  That mixes things up a little.  And even if the basic specifics of the act itself are the same, between two videos, the techniques and responses of the performers can make them very different.  *shrug*

Comment by Joseph P on May 28, 2015 at 9:07pm

On the abortion issue, Gerald, there are some limits to when a woman should be able to demand to get the thing the hell out of her abdomen.  I'm not down with third trimester abortions, except in extreme cases.  Women need to get the problem taken care of before then.

Of course if you discover a major problem with the baby at that point, which will prevent it from having a fairly normal life, or if the mother develops a serious health problem that late, then we're into the sort of extreme case I was talking about.

Of course the fucked up thing is that evangelicals present that as what an abortion usually is.  I've seen bits of a few evangelical straight-to-church/straight-to-DVD movies, and the troubled-teen/young-mother always looks like she's about ready to pop, sometime in the next month, and she's looking up abortion clinics.  I know that evangelicals are seriously reality-impaired, but that seems a bit insane, even by their standards.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 28, 2015 at 5:09pm

Your obviously very knowledgeable about pornography Michael.

Comment by sk8eycat on May 28, 2015 at 4:36pm

I don't remember the exact line, but Robert Heinlein wrote something cutting about people who want laws passed so THEY won't be able to do something.  Fear. 

(The part of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress when they're trying to set up their new government.)

 

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