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What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Loren Miller on July 3, 2016 at 5:39pm

Poe's Law states:

“Without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.”

See also: the Landover Baptist Church.

Comment by tom sarbeck on July 3, 2016 at 5:23pm

      Does the vigorous activity involve lubricants?

I tried soap once. It irritated my urethra so I eschewed lube.

Comment by tom sarbeck on July 3, 2016 at 5:19pm

What is a 'poe'? (My 85-year-old memory is going AWOL.)

Comment by Michael Penn on July 3, 2016 at 4:35pm

When I touch myself an angel dies? Then I'll bet masturbation would kill quite a few of them. See, they are not so tough at all.

So, you teach little Bobby this nonsense and hope he will remember it when he grows up. If he did he would become atheist and get away from your religion.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 3, 2016 at 4:20pm

Does the vigorous activity involve lubricants?

Comment by Joseph P on July 3, 2016 at 2:14pm

More of a parody than a Poe, perhaps.

As for your second sentence: http://www.libchrist.com/bible/mormonmasturbation.html

#11, under Suggestions at the bottom, sounds like a good tool for the creation of fecophiliacs, necrophiliacs, and people with other distressing fetishes.  Aversion therapy only works for so long, before it turns around, and the distressing stuff that you're using to divert yourself from engaging in the positive activity becomes factored into the positive activity and becomes positive, rather than the other way around.

Or https://www.lds.org/manual/a-parents-guide/chapter-5-teaching-adole..., if you prefer.

Teach Teenagers That They Can Control Desires for Physical Intimacy

The so-called sex drive in humans is not entirely the chemical or instinctive compulsion to mate that it is in animals.

The "so-called" sex drive?  So, we'll be leaving reality behind during this discussion, will we?

One example: masturbation is considered by many in the world to be the harmless expression of an instinctive sex drive. Teach your children that the prophets have condemned it as a sin throughout the ages and that they can choose not to do it.

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Masturbation is not physically necessary. There is already a way by which the male system relieves excessive spermatic fluid quite regularly through the nocturnal emission or wet dream. Monthly menstrual flow expels the female’s egg and cleanses the womb. For both sexes, physical or emotional tensions can be released by vigorous activity.

Right.  Emotional tensions released by "vigorous activity".  I'm on it.

Excuse me, Loren, I'll be right back.

Comment by Loren Miller on July 3, 2016 at 1:53pm

I Googled the book title and authors and came up with nothing related, so I have to believe we're dealing with a POE here.  Still, the whole masturbation thing has been a pressure point theists have used on kids for longer than I care to think, and what it has done to skew young people's view of their bodies and sexuality in general is nothing I'd laugh at.

Comment by Joseph P on July 3, 2016 at 1:00pm

I'm speaking more of the child-beating.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 3, 2016 at 12:58pm

Yeah, religious indoctrination should be recognized as a particularly pernicious form of child abuse.

Comment by Joseph P on July 3, 2016 at 12:55pm

I wouldn't be surprised if it's real, given all of the other criminally (literally) insane things that fundamentalist-Christian, parenting books propose.

 

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