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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by tom sarbeck on December 12, 2016 at 8:08am
Re Trump, two realities:

The people who voted for him were not wanting to destroy America.

The people who did not go to the polls to vote for Clinton told her she failed to win their support.

Let's pause the negativity.
Comment by tom sarbeck on December 12, 2016 at 7:57am
...i.e.,
1) before you phoned I had already farted.
2) since you phoned I have farted often.
Comment by Michael Penn on December 12, 2016 at 7:55am

OK. I change "had" to have and I also change "would" to do.

As for racism it seems more alive now than ever. I started noticing that right after I married a woman from Kenya. Many people are not even aware they are racist.

Comment by tom sarbeck on December 12, 2016 at 7:52am
Joseph, about a verb form. (At last, a use for my two years of Latin!!!)

For something completed in the past, use "had".
For something continuing, use "have"
Comment by Joseph P on December 12, 2016 at 7:46am

Change "would" to "do" and I'm right there with you.  :-D

Although, of course, the past tense is also applicable.  Hmm, what's the best verb for something in the past that is explicitly indicated as still ongoing?  The best I'm coming up with is a compound verb of some sort.

Oh, and don't forget, racism is done now, because of Obama's skin color.

Comment by Michael Penn on December 12, 2016 at 7:37am

Thank you, Joseph P. I believe every word of it and we both know people had a big problem with Obama's skin color. So much so that they would openly make it known and still claim they were not racist.

Comment by Joseph P on December 12, 2016 at 7:31am

Obama also didn't cause a political incident with China by recognizing Taiwan, before he even took office.  Obama released his tax returns and put his money into a blind trust, the same as every other president has done in recent history.  Obama didn't have the head of his business empire, his daughter, sitting in on meetings with foreign leaders.

Obama didn't appoint someone as insane as the executive chair of freaking Breitbart News as his chief strategist and senior council.  Obama didn't appoint a climate-change denialist as the head of the EPA.

Obama didn't explicitly state that the president is allowed to have conflicts of interests and signal in every way that he's going to monetize the presidency.

Obama was a stabilizing force, to the point that as soon as he became president-elect, he went along with George W. Bush on official diplomatic trips.  Leaders of the world wanted to talk to him, rather than the actual sitting president.  He's a competent, respectable statesman, and he's going to make a fantastic diplomat, as a former president.

Trump is an incompetent loose-cannon, the likes of which we've never seen before in the presidency.

So no, the press didn't obsess with every little insane thing that Obama did as president-elect, because he didn't do 5 insane things every weekday.  And Trump's skin is orange, not his hair.  Orange hair isn't as weird.

And are you REALLY trying to tell me that people had no problem with Obama's skin color?  Seriously?  Please tell me I'm reading that wrong.

Comment by Michael Penn on December 12, 2016 at 6:32am

I don't recall 5 Things Obama Did This Week before he took office. It seems nobody was as obsessed with him. Oh, I forgot. He wasn't a billionaire celebrity with orange hair and maybe a few people didn't like his color.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 12, 2016 at 5:47am

[sigh] In any of this, should we mention that the current "Air Force One" aircraft are over 20 years old and are quickly becoming more expensive to maintain than new aircraft would be to build AND maintain?

Oh, I forgot: we live in a post-factual world...

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 11, 2016 at 9:54pm

We should just face the fact that we're living in the script of Forbidden Planet.

 

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