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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 11, 2016 at 9:54pm

We should just face the fact that we're living in the script of Forbidden Planet.

Comment by Joseph P on December 11, 2016 at 9:15pm

5 Nightmarish Things Trump Did This Week?  Is that a daily column?  Seems like it would have to be.

Comment by tom sarbeck on December 11, 2016 at 9:06pm
Re Trump and Boeing, I heard on a later news show:
1) a Boeing officer offered a lower cost in exchange for taking some stuff off the plane's design, and
2) the share price later recovered.
In his tweet, Trump made a spectacle of doing what purchasing department people regularly do: haggle.
Re Trump's lies, if he tells me he has to pee, I won't believe until I see him peeing.
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on December 11, 2016 at 7:25pm

Post-Truth Twitter power:

Trump smashed Boeing's stock price after its CEO gently criticized his hostile trade talk.

When Trump got wind of CEO Dennis Muilenburg's mild suggestion that trade is important to his company and others, Trump immediately retaliated, tweeting: "Boeing is building a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order!"

That caused the shares to plummet. Never mind that Boeing doesn’t even have a $4 billion order to make Air Force One planes. It's a post-factual world, remember. [emphasis mine]

5 Nightmarish Things Trump Did This Week

Comment by Joseph P on November 17, 2016 at 1:54am

I didn't encounter any goats in the pagan groups with which I associated.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2016 at 2:45pm

Bertold, I like it,

"The lust of the goat is the bounty of God."

William Blake

If one raises rabbits, 

The lust of the buck is bounty for the breeder! 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 16, 2016 at 9:30am

This heresy might be the real reason the RCC condemned all non-procreational extra-marital sex; control of the masses was a side benefit. As William Blake put it, The lust of the goat is the bounty of God.

Comment by Joseph P on November 16, 2016 at 4:16am
According to Wicca, the sex-act is the altar.

I did mention that the Wiccans I knew were fun to hang out with, before I couldn't deal with the silliness anymore, right?  Or was that in a different group?

Comment by tom sarbeck on November 16, 2016 at 1:59am

The Divine's being present in all of us may have been the first belief that endangered early xianity's domination. In the RC schools I went to, the belief was heretical.

In the church history I read after I quit Catholicism, the gnostics said their god was inside each person. Early xianity declared it a heresy and, probably with their ally Constantine's military help, forced the gnostics to Egypt where they lingered for a while but might have survived.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2016 at 12:04am

According to Wicca, the sex-act is the altar. 

 

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