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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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"No skeptic, to my knowledge, ever made a major scientific discovery or advanced the welfare of others."

-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but That's funny..." -Isaac Asimov

The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella

The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Idiocracy Now

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joseph P Sep 2. 4 Replies

Talking Nonsense as US Politcs

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Aug 17. 6 Replies

A Quick Puzzle to Test Your Problem-Solving

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jul 4. 6 Replies

Spot Graphics that Lie

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joseph P Jun 25. 49 Replies

Susceptibility to Bias

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 23. 1 Reply

Gish Gallop

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 21. 7 Replies

Political discourse in US - fundamentally fallacious

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck May 29. 14 Replies

Liberal Washing

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Gerald Payne May 19. 4 Replies

Information Technology amplifies irrational group behavior

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Mar 22. 10 Replies

Hell for christians? Hell for all?

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Mar 3. 58 Replies

Hunger influences decisions

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joseph P Feb 19. 2 Replies

Why Name Calling

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Oct 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Psychic Power-NOT

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Michael Penn Oct 14, 2014. 7 Replies

Fighting Against Abstinence Only Education.

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Joseph P Aug 6, 2014. 7 Replies

What counts as proof for existential threats

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jun 14, 2014. 1 Reply

Cheating with Science

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Michael Penn May 22, 2014. 6 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on May 19, 2015 at 9:26am

Excellent, Ruth.

Comment by sk8eycat on May 18, 2015 at 11:48pm

I don't remember where I read this, but when you think about it, it makes sense:

"God works in malicious ways his blunders to perform."
I have heard of more than one instance where a surgeon has insisted on praying with a patient.  I would be off the gurney and out in the street SO fast.....!

Comment by Loren Miller on May 18, 2015 at 9:59pm

"Working in mysterious ways" is right up there with endorsing faith as a means to knowledge.  When you consider that the ONLY venue where faith has any real traction is religion, the appeal to faith becomes transparent as glass.  It's supposed to be a trump card, the unbeatable move.

The problem is: it doesn't work.

Comment by Joseph P on May 18, 2015 at 9:38pm

What movie is that from?  Fantastic expression on that kid.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 18, 2015 at 9:07pm

from cheezburger

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 15, 2015 at 7:39am

Is Jade Helm coming to take over a state near you? The Rude Pundit (Proudly lowering the level of political discourse) weighs in on paranoid conservative wingnuttery at its finest.


Other Things Jade Helm Could Be

1. Porn store specializing in the sex toys of the Far East, like the Dragon's Tail vibrator and marble ben-wah balls with bells in them, perfect for conservatives to go fuck themselves with.

. . . Actually, at this point, a whole bunch of people need to get the fuck over their idiot conspiracy theories, since a Rasmussen poll said that "45% of voters are concerned that the government will use U.S. military training operations to impose greater control over some states."

And we wonder why we can't get voters to take things like infrastructure and income equality seriously when they believe utter and complete bullshit about the government. Thank goodness we make sure all the stupid people have guns.

Comment by Gerald Payne on April 24, 2015 at 7:26pm

yea logical bullshit is what is says on the can: bullshit

Comment by Joseph P on April 24, 2015 at 7:14pm

I think its got something to do with statistical analysis Pat. Although I can't quite work what.

It's statistical analysis based upon complete bullshit.  Essentially, they take things out of the Bible as absolute, accepted fact, then assign a value that supposedly adds to the likelihood of something else in the bible being true.

It's using the claims of the Bible to prove the claims of the Bible, and no one with the slightest shred of logic should take any of it seriously.

Comment by Michael Penn on April 24, 2015 at 5:56pm

If I look at history the chances of the resurrection being a fact is zero percent. Nothing and nobody has ever risen from the dead.

Brouse the bible and it's commonplace. That doesn't stop Chrisitians from saying "Jesus was the first" to rise from the dead. Maybe they can't count. or we are finding more proof that the 66 books were not made to be bound as one.

Comment by Gerald Payne on April 24, 2015 at 5:36pm

We will have to try and resurrect the reasoning.


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