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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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— Mark Twain

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Comment by tom sarbeck on July 3, 2015 at 1:13am

NO! This way, head!

And while I'm on your case, the sign you put up is so biased that I'm betting you won't tell us what's eating you.

Comment by Plinius on July 3, 2015 at 1:06am

Powerful image, Ruth!

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 2, 2015 at 10:28pm

Comment by Joseph P on June 26, 2015 at 3:13am

I almost always head out of the country for my news, Sk8ey.

Comment by Plinius on June 25, 2015 at 11:49pm

Thanks for the Ruby Bridges video! I remembered her from a newspaper clipping seen when very young, and I always wanted to know how she went on from that first day at school.

Comment by sk8eycat on June 25, 2015 at 9:37pm

We haven't had true freedom of the press in 200 years. 

The last gasp for me was when the Los Angeles Times was sold to the Chicago Tribune conglomerate about 20 years ago.  They fired the best political columnists, and kept on cutting staff, and the number and size of the pages until the thing looks like a tabloid.  I want to cancel our subscription, but it's sort of an 80+ year tradition in our family.  My sister reads it. I don't.  So I told her to pay for it.

Comment by Gerald Payne on June 25, 2015 at 7:16pm

Just reading the newspapers will inform anyone when there's controversial legislation being brought out. If it's concerning immigration it'll be a daily dose of ''Somali women housed in six bedroomed house all at the taxpayers cost'' or something along those lines. Similarly for welfare ''Benefit scrounger's costing the country billions, say's report''. These 'revelations' curiously stop when the legislation has been passed.

How can the west so proudly proclaim ''freedom of the press'' when the press is so unashamedly used for government propaganda.

It seems news censorship and manipulation is a disgrace when conducted by authoritarian states, but quite acceptable under the flag of free enterprise.

Comment by Gerald Payne on June 25, 2015 at 5:55pm

I remember British rock bands in the sixties coming back aghast at what they'd witnessed in the American south.

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 25, 2015 at 5:47pm

"The first purpose of government," a graduate student in political science told me decades ago, "is to make large numbers of people governable."

And as Joan says, religion was and is a device to control people.

Keeping church and state separate is my first purpose.

Comment by sk8eycat on June 25, 2015 at 4:26pm

By the fall of 1957, I was touring in the south for the first time in my life.  The segregated signs on depot waiting rooms, restrooms, drinking fountains, etc & so on shocked me, and continued to do so for the next three years.

Once when I asked the Pullman porter if he could get some ice for us to make Margaritas as we were leaving Atlanta, he not only got the ice, he wrapped it in a clean towel and smashed it to bits so we could use it immediately.  Later, when he had finished making up the berths and was relaxing with a newspaper, I asked him if he'd like the little bit that was left in the cocktail shaker.  He looked at me in complete astonishment, and said, "Y'all aren't from THIS part of the country, are you?"  I just shook my head and said, "Los Angeles."  Then I poured his Margarita, and went to rinse out the shaker.

But I saw and heard things that made my skin crawl....

 

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