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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

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The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Firehose beats Fact-Check

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Comment by Glenn Sogge on November 23, 2009 at 8:50am
@Trance -- Over the years, I've found that IE is the problem because the programmers write to that rather than the standards. "Wouldn't it be cool to use ...." sigh....
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 23, 2009 at 8:45am
@Glenn The new version of Firefox (which includes their latest security fix) is also messing some things up and not just on the Ning site. I've been forced to use IE (YUCK) to do some things.
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 23, 2009 at 8:43am
@Felch. Did all of that (sigh) but thanks anyway :-(

@Nerd. Will do. Thanks.
Comment by Glenn Sogge on November 23, 2009 at 8:41am
Related question. Anybody else have browser related issues? I prefer to use Opera (the latest) but some things (like The Nerd's tip below) don't work -- there is no follow button. And adding a comment doesn't always have the bold/italic/link/pic/etc bar. So I have to bounce back between Chrome and Opera. If I didn't like it here, I would do what I usually do when a site doesn't follow standards and give up on it for something that does.
Comment by Glenn Sogge on November 23, 2009 at 8:07am
Request For A Discussion Thread --
Since I know we all have so much time, it would nice if someone (Felch, Jacqueline, ??) could do a thread with information about how to document the research we may do. Although we know that a site, section, page, document, description, link, etc. would never just disappear or change on the internet, planning for a worst case seems prudent. I'm thinking printouts, screen caps, torrents, etc. What are the pros and cons of each? Not just for possible legal issues ('cause we know that would never happen), but for armoring our conclusions. Along the legal lines, I think the Electronic Frontier Foundation (eff.org) has a guide for bloggers that may also be appropriate. I'll see if I can find it again and forward the information to Sacha.
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 23, 2009 at 7:32am
@Felch. Would you have any idea why I'm not receiving Group notifications of new Discussions? My settings are set correctly. I haven't been receiving them for any groups just Discussions from the main page.

Should I be reporting this or this a new configuration for A/N?
Comment by Prog Rock Girl on November 22, 2009 at 9:28pm
Logic and reason set me free!
Comment by Shamar on November 22, 2009 at 4:54pm
The Earth is Flat! And Other False Beliefs Based on Dogma and Pseudoscience that Stress the Need for Critical Thinking
http://bit.ly/RuUcx
Comment by Ida on November 22, 2009 at 3:10am
Nice to see a group like this on AN. It is very much needed.
Comment by Meg on November 22, 2009 at 3:00am
Excellent! I think my professor of "Why People Believe Weird Things" would love this group.
 

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