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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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tRump incoherent babbling

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 15. 17 Replies

Think tank really corrupt arms booster

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Not The Onion - Steve Moore

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jun 9. 12 Replies

Bullshit

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan May 5. 25 Replies

Hell for christians? Hell for all?

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Joseph P Feb 7. 60 Replies

Misleading Public Polls

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Dec 8, 2015. 5 Replies

My arguments are always valid

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Nov 6, 2015. 4 Replies

The heart of anti-atheist prejudice is distrust

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Oct 20, 2015. 2 Replies

Can psychics "connect" with a woman's nonexistent dead sister?

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Sep 9, 2015. 10 Replies

Idiocracy Now

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It Takes More Faith to Be an Atheist Than to Believe in God?

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Gerald Payne Aug 21, 2015. 21 Replies

Talking Nonsense as US Politcs

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Aug 17, 2015. 6 Replies

A Quick Puzzle to Test Your Problem-Solving

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jul 4, 2015. 6 Replies

Spot Graphics that Lie

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Susceptibility to Bias

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 23, 2015. 1 Reply

Gish Gallop

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 21, 2015. 7 Replies

Political discourse in US - fundamentally fallacious

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck May 29, 2015. 14 Replies

Liberal Washing

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Comment by Loren Miller on February 7, 2016 at 1:40pm

Trump's position about positions is that to have no position is to have nothing to attack.  This way his followers can ascribe to him any stance they like and justify it to themselves, and if he should take office and assume a different opinion on that matter ... well, that's politics.

This isn't just the height of disrespect for the process but for the office he and the rest of the GOP clown car aspire to, and it should in no ways be tolerated.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on February 7, 2016 at 1:25pm

Leading US Presidential candidate has platform of unpredictability.

... a lady from the audience expressed concern that Trump had not provided enough specificity about his policies. Trump’s answer was that he prefers not to provide detailed policies because he desires to remain unpredictable.

Seriously? A presidential candidate running on a platform of unpredictability? Hey, why don’t we just select our president through a national random lottery? [emphasis mine]

Is there even a description for that kind of illogic?

WATCH: The Trump Interview That Should Have Ended His Candidacy Onc...

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on November 7, 2015 at 2:13pm
Comment by tom sarbeck on October 30, 2015 at 12:39pm

Shashwat (Is addressing you that way proper?), I have been a skeptic for seventy years and your title "Quest for skepticism" stirs a bit of interest. Please tell me/us a reason to read your latest blog.

Comment by Shashwat Singh Pokharel on October 30, 2015 at 11:31am

Quest for skepticism. My latest blog. do read :)

http://pokhu.blogspot.com/2015/10/my-quest-for-skepticism.html

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on October 9, 2015 at 4:15pm

Happy Fri, Bertold. The nonsense you cited reminded me of this point from Krugman.

Remember all the dire warnings about what would happen if China stopped buying our debt, or worse yet, started selling it? Remember how interest rates would soar and America would find itself in crisis?

Well, don’t tell anyone, but the much feared event has happened: China is no longer buying our debt, and is in fact selling tens of billions of dollars in U.S. debt every month as it tries to support its troubled currency. And what has happened is ...: nothing. It was always a false alarm.

Not just a false alarm,..., a fake alarm.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 9, 2015 at 8:50am

Happy Friday everyone.

Must be the season - the fruits and nuts are coming out again!

Michele Bachmann:Carolina Flooding Is God's Wrath For U.S. Israel Policy

Jim Bakker: My Black Underwear Signals God's Wrath On America

Last month, televangelist Jim Bakker predicted that September would see a financial meltdown, several natural disasters and some horrible event involving Pope Francis’ trip to America. He backed up his predictions by citing the work of Jonathan Cahn, who had brought his own September doomsday prophecy to Bakker’s program and others, including Glenn Beck’s and Pat Robertson’s.

During one of his September shows, Bakker pointed to another signal that something terrible would occur that month: God had told him to dress all in black, right down to his underwear.

Comment by Loren Miller on September 25, 2015 at 8:07am

Bertold, at this point I doubt that Boehner or any of the rest of the GOP are capable of being shamed into changing ANYTHING that they do.  Oh, the crocodile tears will flow, but that's been Tan-Man's modus operandi for longer than I care to think.  As for Frankie, sure, there are a lot of catholics who were excited to see Francis come to the US ... just like they were excited each time JPII came here.  The question is: how much did that excitement go to actually action on their part?  I'm willing to bet the answer is: "Not Much."

Like the man says, if nothing changes, nothing changes.  I'm an active member of the FFRF and its local chapter, the Northern Ohio Freethought Society because I Want To See Change ... because there are directions our country could go in without significant change that scare the freakin' whee out of me.

And I mean to at least attempt to DO something about that.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 25, 2015 at 7:51am

Lee Papa on the pontiff's peregrinations:

Pope Speaks, Boehner Weeps, Nothing Changes

Every conservative Catholic Republican listening to the Pope today reminds the Rude Pundit of Chris Christie proclaiming his love for the music of Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, you can rock out to the guitars and sax, but if you don't listen to the words, your love and your tears are worthless.

Comment by Loren Miller on September 16, 2015 at 12:01pm

Can we hope that Murdoch gets in no end of arguments with the editorial staff of NG?  Would be nice!

 

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